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Nov 4, 2017 09:01:41   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Heather Iles wrote:
Clapperboard, some of us have said why we purchased a particular printer and in my case an Epson SureColour P600 as it produces good quality prints. I also explained that I belong to a photographic club and enter competitions and it has the extra black inks which produces good B&W photographs too which I sometimes print. From what is mentioned here Cannon does a similar printer so if I was the OP it would be a choice between Epson and Cannon. I only use genuine Epson Inks, but the inks for the P600 are slightly larger so depending on how much you use the printer it is more favourable. Of course there is a later model which is more expensive, but the reviews for the P600 was favourable. Of course I also have the X-rite i1 Display Pro for calibrating the monitor and agree that photography is an expensive hobby, but if you want to compete with those who photos are of good quality that is what is involved. It all comes down to what you want to spend. You can get away with a reasonably good camera, but it is the printing that lets people down and I have seen some awful prints at my club and have hinted that it is either their printer, the ink, the paper that is not profiled or the quality of the paper or their monitor that needs calibrating, but usually it falls on death ears. It all comes down to money, so it is best we get as much information before hand, so that we don't make an expensive mistake.
Clapperboard, some of us have said why we purchase... (show quote)


It is often not what you use, but how you use it, that determines the result. Average equipment, used carefully and correctly, produces FAR better results than the best equipment used recklessly and incorrectly.

Color management is a discipline that must be learned and practiced.

White balance reference and calibration
Camera raw profile or JPEG profile
Monitor calibration and profile
Image adjustment environment conditions
Working space profile
Proofing or printing simulation profile
File output type, bit depth
File output profile
Printer/paper/ink choice and profile
Print viewing conditions
Monitor or projector calibration for viewing
Your physical and mental state while using all this...

All the above affect the look of your images. And all must be considered as parts that must work as a harmonious system.

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Nov 4, 2017 11:04:25   #
SusanFromVermont Loc: Southwest corner of Vermont
 
Heather Iles wrote:
Thanks for responding and having taken a look at the Datacolour paper profiling it is an expensive piece of equipment and unfortunately not in my price range at the moment. As I have an Epson printer and use their paper, together with my X-Rite i1 Display Pro Calibrator (which was about £186 or there about), hopefully my prints wouldn't be too far out. Gosh, this is an expensive hobby. It is just as well that I am retired and no longer have a mortgage.

If you ever decide to buy paper that is not made by Epson, and if it is a good paper, the ICC profiles will be available for download. In this case, the computer will tell the printer how to print the photo. I use Red River Paper, and they have their ICC profiles available. Their website is also good for finding other kinds of information about printing and papers, including reviews of printers and some comparisons as well.

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Nov 4, 2017 11:13:48   #
Clapperboard
 
Heather Iles No problem. It is a good piece of kit. A friend was having problems with a dreadful magenta cast on his prints. We profiled his printer and it was very acceptable. I didn't feel it was everything we could get from the machine. It is an Epson W1500. I believe it is also known as the Artisan 1430. I have a similar printer for general printing and for printing onto DVD labels. My friend was happy to use the printer after it had been profiled but when a nozzle check was printed out I was convinced the light magenta was too close a tint to the magenta. Long story short the light magenta ink had been topped up with magenta thus causing the colour cast. The print profiler had been able to correct the wrong ink problem within a hairs breadth of correct colour in all tones.
If you get a paper profile from your supplier for your printer/paper combination you should get good results.

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Nov 4, 2017 12:13:23   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
SusanFromVermont wrote:
If you ever decide to buy paper that is not made by Epson, and if it is a good paper, the ICC profiles will be available for download. In this case, the computer will tell the printer how to print the photo. I use Red River Paper, and they have their ICC profiles available. Their website is also good for finding other kinds of information about printing and papers, including reviews of printers and some comparisons as well.


Check out LexJet.com. They are a pro paper supply house specifying in high quality supplies.

Moab, Hahnemule, Ilford Galerie, Red River, and many other fine papers are available.

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Nov 4, 2017 13:44:59   #
SusanFromVermont Loc: Southwest corner of Vermont
 
burkphoto wrote:
Check out LexJet.com. They are a pro paper supply house specifying in high quality supplies.

Moab, Hahnemule, Ilford Galerie, Red River, and many other fine papers are available.

I just looked at LexJet.com. There are so many paper types in each brand, it would take a course on papers to understand them all! It seems that a photographer has to know which ones to buy, because the website does not provide much information. Interesting to see, though!

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Nov 4, 2017 13:54:03   #
Heather Iles Loc: UK, Somerset
 
SusanFromVermont wrote:
If you ever decide to buy paper that is not made by Epson, and if it is a good paper, the ICC profiles will be available for download. In this case, the computer will tell the printer how to print the photo. I use Red River Paper, and they have their ICC profiles available. Their website is also good for finding other kinds of information about printing and papers, including reviews of printers and some comparisons as well.


Thank you Susan for taking the time to respond. I will bear that in mind and make sure that should I try a different paper that there is an ICC profile for it.

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Nov 4, 2017 13:58:27   #
Heather Iles Loc: UK, Somerset
 
SusanFromVermont wrote:
I just looked at LexJet.com. There are so many paper types in each brand, it would take a course on papers to understand them all! It seems that a photographer has to know which ones to buy, because the website does not provide much information. Interesting to see, though!


Susan, that is why it is good that members share any information they know or have and we are grateful to those members.

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Nov 4, 2017 14:01:39   #
Heather Iles Loc: UK, Somerset
 
burkphoto wrote:
It is often not what you use, but how you use it, that determines the result. Average equipment, used carefully and correctly, produces FAR better results than the best equipment used recklessly and incorrectly.

Color management is a discipline that must be learned and practiced.

White balance reference and calibration
Camera raw profile or JPEG profile
Monitor calibration and profile
Image adjustment environment conditions
Working space profile
Proofing or printing simulation profile
File output type, bit depth
File output profile
Printer/paper/ink choice and profile
Print viewing conditions
Monitor or projector calibration for viewing
Your physical and mental state while using all this...

All the above affect the look of your images. And all must be considered as parts that must work as a harmonious system.
It is often not what you use, but how you use it, ... (show quote)


Thanks burkphoto for taking the time to explain what is involved and there is certainly a lot to consider.

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Nov 4, 2017 14:06:41   #
Heather Iles Loc: UK, Somerset
 
Clapperboard wrote:
Heather Iles No problem. It is a good piece of kit. A friend was having problems with a dreadful magenta cast on his prints. We profiled his printer and it was very acceptable. I didn't feel it was everything we could get from the machine. It is an Epson W1500. I believe it is also known as the Artisan 1430. I have a similar printer for general printing and for printing onto DVD labels. My friend was happy to use the printer after it had been profiled but when a nozzle check was printed out I was convinced the light magenta was too close a tint to the magenta. Long story short the light magenta ink had been topped up with magenta thus causing the colour cast. The print profiler had been able to correct the wrong ink problem within a hairs breadth of correct colour in all tones.
If you get a paper profile from your supplier for your printer/paper combination you should get good results.
Heather Iles No problem. It is a good piece of ... (show quote)


Thank you Clapperboard for the information.

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Nov 4, 2017 18:18:05   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
SusanFromVermont wrote:
I just looked at LexJet.com. There are so many paper types in each brand, it would take a course on papers to understand them all! It seems that a photographer has to know which ones to buy, because the website does not provide much information. Interesting to see, though!


Contact them (or the paper manufacturers) for swatch books. That way you can feel them. Some offer inexpensive sample packs as well.

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Nov 5, 2017 08:20:51   #
SusanFromVermont Loc: Southwest corner of Vermont
 
burkphoto wrote:
Contact them (or the paper manufacturers) for swatch books. That way you can feel them. Some offer inexpensive sample packs as well.

Good to know! Did not see any reference to samples, but first time on the site and there was so much to see. The sample pack is how I started with Red River Paper, because as you point out, it is important to see and feel the paper. I used my sample pack to see how each one rendered a "test photo" as well as one of my own images, both on the same page! Interesting how much difference there can be from one paper to another...

Susan

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Apr 10, 2018 20:00:18   #
410Pusher Loc: NE PA
 
I have an Epson printer and l-o-n-g ago I realized that it is not cost effective to print photos when I can get acceptable prints in a few minutes at the local drug store or WalMart. For those special pics I have a great pro lab a few minutes from the house

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Apr 10, 2018 20:33:54   #
bdk Loc: Sanibel Fl.
 
I have an epson eco printer, it does an ok job not quality from a good lab but ok. They have a new one that they say is much better quality, but mine does what I want.
an ecoprinter , you can print 1000's and thousands of pics before you have to refill the tanks. very very economical

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Apr 11, 2018 16:32:24   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
410Pusher wrote:
I have an Epson printer and l-o-n-g ago I realized that it is not cost effective to print photos when I can get acceptable prints in a few minutes at the local drug store or WalMart. For those special pics I have a great pro lab a few minutes from the house


If you have the knowledge, using a high end Epson for your largest and best prints makes more sense than using a lab.

This is coming from a guy who introduced several 44” and 17” Epsons to a pro portrait lab from 2003-2005. There are three major advantages:

— A much wider color gamut than silver halide-based processes deliver

— 4-5 times the archival print longevity of silver halide prints (before significant fading)

— You can print on a much wider range of papers, canvas, metal, art board, label stock, etc.

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Apr 14, 2018 14:22:35   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
Gregger wrote:
I am thinking of getting a wireless photo printer. I have a few questions. Are there any members that print their own? The present best printer I can get for around or under at $400. Should I get only a photo printer or a all in one? Ink is expensive, but we have a store not far from us that sells refilled ink. I have used refilled before will poor success. Though this is close to ten years ago. My own personal feeling is when prints are made at Walgreens, Costcos or practically anyone they then have your photos to do as they please. I looked in the UHH search section and there is no new information concerning printers. I also feel I can print in my home without having to take and wait. Thanks for any help. Gregger
I am thinking of getting a wireless photo printer.... (show quote)

I don't think I would take any pictures, if I would not print on my own, to me its all part of the picture-taking-process. It starts with the push of the shutter button and ends with the print in your hands. It's all connected and its all fun!! Go with a photo printer, all-in-one are "kinda" ok, but fall way short in direct comparison! It is also much cheaper to print your own than to have them print in a lab!

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