Considering a new Canon APS-C? ... Take a look at the EOS 77D ... Been weighing the differences lately, between a 70D, a 77D, and an 80D .... The first two are exactly the same price...

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

Been weighing the differences lately, between a 70D, a 77D, and an 80D ....

The first two are exactly the same price, now ... (the 70D's a lot older, that's why ... )

The 80D is newer, and to many - would seem to be the logical choice, but ....

First off - it will cost you $300 to $400 more ...

Secondly, the ISO capability is vastly improved - over the earlier model ...

Then, of course - the 77D is both smaller and lighter than either of the other two ...

And, did I tell you this ... could be the deal-breaker, to many ...

The 77D does stabilized video !!!!!!

Wow!!! ... I mean - DOUBLE-WOWWWWWW !!!!!

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

It's nice - when I see I've written such a COMPLETE post - it hasn't even encouraged a single response!!! .... I am thrilled ... !!!!

jmvaugh Loc: Albuquerque

Chris T wrote:

Been weighing the differences lately, between a 70... (show quote)

A refurbished 80D could cut the price difference by quite a bit and I really enjoy using my 80D. When I compared the size and weight difference between the 77D and 80D, I certainly didn’t think it was a big deal and the feel of the 80D’s grip was very
comfortable.

crazydaddio Loc: Toronto Ontario Canada

Chris T wrote:

Been weighing the differences lately, between a 70... (show quote)

Anyone compared stabilized video vs cheap stabilize

bfstuff

I've been looking those three. Right now I'd go with the 80D because you can do micro focus calibration for each lens. For me, that's the deal breaker on the 77D unless I missed it in the specs. I'll probably wait for the 88D or whatever is next in the 80D line.

Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, Colorado

jmvaugh wrote:

A refurbished 80D could cut the price difference by quite a bit and I really enjoy using my 80D. When I compared the size and weight difference between the 77D and 80D, I certainly didn’t think it was a big deal and the feel of the 80D’s grip was very
comfortable.

I completely agree with Jim. Having owned a 7D MKII for a while it was my crop sensor go to camera. Suffering from a GAS attack a couple of months ago I ordered the 80D from B&H, and couldn't be happier! I love every feature on the 80D especially the increased MP to 24, full touch screen which can perform every operation in the camera, and the articulating screen, as opposed to the 20 MP on the 7D MKII. The only advantage I see on the 7D MKII over the 80D is FPS and number of focus points, which I didn't really use. Thus, when I head out the door looking for photo opportunities I have the 80D in my bag, and the 7D MKII is sitting at home. Admittedly, both are fine cameras, and both do what they are intended to do. If I'm shooting fast action I will certainly use my 7D MKII, but for everything else I'm completely enamored with the 80D.

Best of luck in your endeavors but seriously consider the 80D!

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

jmvaugh wrote:

A refurbished 80D could cut the price difference by quite a bit and I really enjoy using my 80D. When I compared the size and weight difference between the 77D and 80D, I certainly didn’t think it was a big deal and the feel of the 80D’s grip was very
comfortable.

Yes, I suppose it would, JM ... don't see many refurb 80Ds around, though ... perhaps, because they are THAT good, huh?

I do have the 60D ... which I don't take out much anymore. I just found it to be too big and unwieldy. I do have the T4i also, which uses pretty much the same size body, as the EOS 77D. And, I am very comfortable with the handling on that camera. Which is why I've been edging slightly towards the EOS 77D. It's either that, or the Rebel T7i - I suspect, for me. Even though the 80D is smaller than the 60D - it still has that bigger magnitude.

Anyway, JM - thanks for the feedback on this ... I do really much appreciate it ....

Photocraig

I chose the 77D because it weight 11 ounces less. I do miss the extra custom function settings C1, C2. Never micro calibrated a lens. I MIGHT try video, some day. And all my lenses are stabilized. I was set on buying the 80D but the weight is just more important to this 73 year old.
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Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

bfstuff wrote:

I've been looking those three. Right now I'd go with the 80D because you can do micro focus calibration for each lens. For me, that's the deal breaker on the 77D unless I missed it in the specs. I'll probably wait for the 88D or whatever is next in the 80D line.

You've also been looking at the EOS 70D, 77D, and 80D too - have you, BF? ...

Interesting ... yes, I guess there are enough similarities between the three (and somewhat similar price point, too) to make it all worth a second look. Even though the 70D is so much older than the other two, it still has a lot in it. But, ISO is better in the 80D, and even better still in the 77D ... but the latter uses a pentamirror, like the rest of the Rebel series - rather than a pentaprism - like the EOS xx series.

Still - that said - the 77D features a couple of things missing in the 80D, and as you so rightly point out, the 80 has something missing from the 77D ....

I don't expect you will see an upgrade on the 77D very soon, it only appeared earlier, this year. But, I suspect there might be an upgrade to the 80D at some point, in the near future - presumably, to be named the 90D ....

MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama

Chris T wrote:

Yes, I suppose it would, JM ... don't see many ref... (show quote)

Send me that unused 60D Chris; I already have 2 of them and yours would make a Holy Trinity and I would Never have to change lenses. (Hate to change lenses). Love my Olympus but I also LOVE the Canon colors and the focal lengths the cropped format gives with the Full frame lenses I have had since the flood....

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

Photocraig wrote:

I chose the 77D because it weight 11 ounces less. I do miss the extra custom function settings C1, C2. Never micro calibrated a lens. I MIGHT try video, some day. And all my lenses are stabilized. I was set on buying the 80D but the weight is just more important to this 73 year old.
C

Well, thanks, Craig ... that was the way I've been leaning, too ....

I'm glad you went that way, and for the reasons you've stated ... very important to me, too ...

The fact the 77D also offers stabilized video, is a notion to me, too ... since most of my dozen EOS lenses are also stabilized. But I do have a couple of Tokina lenses, and a couple of Sigma lenses which do not feature IS. But all my Canons and Tamrons are stabilized. Still .... with stabilization built-in - just to be used for video - it would seem to me Canon is finally catering to the movie-makers around.

Thanks for the feedback, Craig ... really appreciate it ...

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

MrBob wrote:

Send me that unused 60D Chris; I already have 2 of them and yours would make a Holy Trinity and I would Never have to change lenses. (Hate to change lenses). Love my Olympus but I also LOVE the Canon colors and the focal lengths the cropped format gives with the Full frame lenses I have had since the flood....

It's not exactly unused, Bob ... but it still is in like new condition, as I stopped using it, in the field, when I can home with a case of tennis elbow ... (and I haven't played tennis in years) ...

But, Bob ... I now see the EOS 60D is pulling in MORE than I paid for it, when it was brand new ... so, I'm afraid - I won't be sending it to you - sorry ... unless you wish to buy it ... that's a different matter ... make me an offer. Would you like the grip, too?

I hate changing lenses, too ... and I had bought almost a dozen EOS lenses for my T3 before I even graduated to the 60D and T4i combo. Now, I find it so much easier to keep specific lenses on specific cameras, and just swap out the cameras, rather than the lenses. The sensor in my Rebel T3 gathered a case of the measles, and w/o auto-sensor cleaning ... it was either down to a DIY job, or a send to Canon for a $250 sensor cleaning! ... I chose the former, and then - proceeded with my upgrade choices ....

Anyway, Bob ... thanks for your thoughts ....

mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey

Chris T wrote:

Been weighing the differences lately, between a 70... (show quote)

If you are using a stabilized Canon STM lens, designed for video, the in camera video stabilization doesn't add much and having taking close to 1000 music videos over the years with a variety of lenses, video stabilization is not difficult to achieve. While a nice feature, the video in-camera stabilization will not benefit stills shooting. By the level of your excitement over that feature, can we assume you are planning to take a lot of videos if you acquire that camera?

Second, while the 77D is smaller and lighter and cheaper than the 80D, which some people prefer, it also has a more limited set of controls and feature set. If you need those controls and features then the 80D is the right choice. If you can live without them and like the idea of a smaller body than maybe the 77D would be a better option. For me, the grip of the 77D, and the Rebel body it's based on, is too small to be comfortable. Balancing long lenses is also more problematic on a smaller body.

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

Jakebrake wrote:

I completely agree with Jim. Having owned a 7D MK... (show quote)

Thanks, Michael ... I appreciate your thoughts.

I AM seriously considering the 80D ... which is why I made the post. And, I will continue to do so, until I come up with a sound decision. It is not everyday, I consider laying out $1100-1200 for a camera, and the fact that I can buy either the earlier 70D now, or the so much newer 77D for about $400 less - is certainly why I'm taking so long to make a decision. That $400 could buy a halfway decent lens, or - even a lower-priced camera!!! ... It could also put food on the table for a month. So, it is not something I wish to rush into, right now.

I do understand the 80D is a better product overall, but the ISO capability is greater in the newer camera, plus, I've now found the 77D offers stabilized video, built-in ... which no other Canon, heretofore, has yet offered ... certainly - a fine selling point in its favor. Thanks!

rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA

Chris T wrote:

Thanks, Michael ... I appreciate your thoughts. b... (show quote)

Since I have never intentionally taken video {several times I did it by accident when a switch was set the wrong way}, video features never enter into my considerations .... but gracefully handling higher ISO is something I think about almost every day.