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Oct 11, 2017 20:31:32   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
d3200prime wrote:
You are correct. Where you are in error is assuming all the women Weinstein was involved with were unwilling participants. So, out of all of them, I will assume, based on human nature, some of them were more than willing to further their acting careers by wilful action on their part. This is part and parcel of Hollywood and has been for many decades. So, adultery is adultery. However, I will give you some of the women were coerced and that needs to be addressed by law as they were not strong enough to stand against Weinstein and he definitely needs to be prosecuted in those cases. Guess I should have explained better in my first post.
You are correct. Where you are in error is assumin... (show quote)


And Jesus, himself, entitled you to judge the faults of others, assuming you to be perfect in all aspects.

Attend thyself, and be meek, my son. And trust in the love of your Maker—and fear His justice.

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Oct 11, 2017 21:00:20   #
Leica User Loc: Western North Carolina
 
Twardlow wrote:
And Jesus, himself, entitled you to judge the faults of others, assuming you to be perfect in all aspects.

Attend thyself, and be meek, my son. And trust in the love of your Maker—and fear His justice.


What an imbecile you are.

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Oct 11, 2017 21:14:51   #
d3200prime
 
Twardlow wrote:
And Jesus, himself, entitled you to judge the faults of others, assuming you to be perfect in all aspects.

Attend thyself, and be meek, my son. And trust in the love of your Maker—and fear His justice.


Nope, no judgement here. Flawed man I am and so are we all. So, you feel the need to dodge the issue by accusing me of being judgemental. Just get off the holier than thou stuff. If you want to assume ALL the women Weinstein was involved with were coerced that is your privilege. I choose to assume at least one of them willingly participated. You don't know if they were all coerced and I don't know that they weren't. We are at a Mexican standoff as they say. Anyway, it should be interesting to see how this plays out.

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Oct 11, 2017 21:21:54   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
These perverts are involved in child p*******e rings this is just a tip of it.
Weinstein pissed someone off and that is why he got caught up.
They all yes all say one thing and do another behind closed doors.
Look at the Republican Senator or Congressman who was anti a******n.
Got his mistress pregnant and wanted her to have an a******n.
Time to realize it’s all a damn mind phuck.

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Oct 11, 2017 21:25:34   #
d3200prime
 
Leica User wrote:
What an imbecile you are.


Now, now let's not call names. It's not unusual for a person who is cornered and has no place to go to come out with some nonsensical statement to make themselves feel like they won. Yes, it's pitiful and thanks for your support but please refrain from name calling, ok? Good shooting to you.

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Oct 11, 2017 23:03:10   #
Shutterbugsailer Loc: Staten Island NY (AKA Cincinnati by the Sea)
 
jerryc41 wrote:
There's a difference between harassment and consent.


IMHO, there on one extreme there is consent; at the other, there is rape. Harassment lies somewhere between the two

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Oct 11, 2017 23:05:40   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
d3200prime wrote:
Nope, no judgement here. Flawed man I am and so are we all. So, you feel the need to dodge the issue by accusing me of being judgemental. Just get off the holier than thou stuff. If you want to assume ALL the women Weinstein was involved with were coerced that is your privilege. I choose to assume at least one of them willingly participated. You don't know if they were all coerced and I don't know that they weren't. We are at a Mexican standoff as they say. Anyway, it should be interesting to see how this plays out.
Nope, no judgement here. Flawed man I am and so ar... (show quote)


“If you want to assume ALL the women Weinstein was involved with were coerced that is your privilege. I choose to assume at least one of them willingly participated.” And so, with this, you reserve for yourself the judgement of others, and your own superiority to judge others without being judged yourself?

You believe so much?

It’s not for you to judge whether a woman chose adultery or was blamed or blackmailed into it. One woman coerced, stripped and raped, or forced, or who participated to save her career—that’s for her to choose, and for her to risk judgment by someone Greater Than You. Attend your own sins, and let others be judged for theirs by Someone Above, not you, immersed in sins of your own, weakness and confusion you too were born to.

If you believe in a Superior being, can not He deal without your assistance? Would you assist him? Would you replace Him?

If you don’t believe in such a Superior Being, do you suggest you replace His absence? Or act in His place? Do you nominate yourself as being the Subject of the Bible, the Moving Force, the Judging One To Judge All, without sin or blemish. Are you the First Cause, the All Perfect, who validates all, judges all, knows all, punishes all?

You presume too much.

Have you never chosen sin or weakness to protect yourself, your family, or your career? Are you so superior, You Alone can judge, can assist Your Maker, or replace Your Maker, can judge, raised by your purity, or your perfection, or your prurient enthusiasm?

Let the man who erred repeatedly stand before society, guilty and judged, and his victims, those he abused and violated, who may have weakened and bowed in fear—let them be judged by a Perfect Judge, without blemish or sin or weakness.

And, my friend, that ain’t you.

The man coerced women, seduced, raped, or violated them, and the degree of willingness of the victim is not your concern.

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Oct 12, 2017 00:04:08   #
ken hubert Loc: Missouri
 
Twardlow wrote:
“If you want to assume ALL the women Weinstein was involved with were coerced that is your privilege. I choose to assume at least one of them willingly participated.” And so, with this, you reserve for yourself the judgement of others, and your own superiority to judge others without being judged yourself?

You believe so much?

It’s not for you to judge whether a woman chose adultery or was blamed or blackmailed into it. One woman coerced, stripped and raped, or forced, or who participated to save her career—that’s for her to choose, and for her to risk judgment by someone Greater Than You. Attend your own sins, and let others be judged for theirs by Someone Above, not you, immersed in sins of your own, weakness and confusion you too were born to.

If you believe in a Superior being, can not He deal without your assistance? Would you assist him? Would you replace Him?

If you don’t believe in such a Superior Being, do you suggest you replace His absence? Or act in His place? Do you nominate yourself as being the Subject of the Bible, the Moving Force, the Judging One To Judge All, without sin or blemish. Are you the First Cause, the All Perfect, who validates all, judges all, knows all, punishes all?

You presume too much.

Have you never chosen sin or weakness to protect yourself, your family, or your career? Are you so superior, You Alone can judge, can assist Your Maker, or replace Your Maker, can judge, raised by your purity, or your perfection, or your prurient enthusiasm?

Let the man who erred repeatedly stand before society, guilty and judged, and his victims, those he abused and violated, who may have weakened and bowed in fear—let them be judged by a Perfect Judge, without blemish or sin or weakness.

And, my friend, that ain’t you.

The man coerced women, seduced, raped, or violated them, and the degree of willingness of the victim is not your concern.
“If you want to assume ALL the women Weinstein was... (show quote)


Shut up, take your meds and go to bed, ( description of you). See, no name calling!

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Oct 12, 2017 00:09:55   #
RixPix Loc: Miami, Florida
 
foathog wrote:
Whether it be Weinstein or Trump. A scumbag is a scumbag. not to mention Cosby.


The difference is that there seems to be outrage regarding Weinstein and accolades for Trump. That's how obtuse Trump's supporters have become.

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Oct 12, 2017 00:12:25   #
ken hubert Loc: Missouri
 
RixPix wrote:
The difference is that there seems to be outrage regarding Weinstein and accolades for Trump. That's how obtuse Trump's supporters have become.



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Oct 12, 2017 05:41:53   #
sueyeisert Loc: New Jersey
 
foathog wrote:
Whether it be Weinstein or Trump. A scumbag is a scumbag. not to mention Cosby.


It's not politics it's sexual abuse. All three are accused.
What is interesting is that only one after the revelation was rewarded .

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Oct 12, 2017 06:10:45   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I'm amazed that, once again, the victims of sexual harassment are being blamed. This letter to the NYT hits the nail on the head about placing the blame where it doesn't belong.

http://mashable.com/2017/10/11/harvey-weinstein-women-sexual-harassment-new-york-times/?utm_cid=a-rr-culture#xEMtI_WjYmqX


That is how libs work.
Notice that obummer Bill Clinton and hillary were Weinstein's good buddies. Hillary would snuggle up to him as shown in photos. Interesting she was uncomfortable being on the stage with President Trump during the debates yet snuggles up to Weinstein, Her rapist husband and is a close friend with Wiener a sexual d*****t.
Yet there has only been f**e news about the President and women. All those that came forward during the campaign were shown to be telling complete fabrications and lies. Yet the women raped and abused by Bill Clinton and Weinstein are actual victims and there is 100% proof and the abusers are heroes and the victims attacked and further abused by the democrat/c*******ts and their lap dog media.

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Oct 12, 2017 06:26:32   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Twardlow wrote:
No, adulatory isn’t just adultery’; that’s too simple.

Adultery by consent is not the same as unwilling sex by harassment, or blackmail, or threat of losing income or career.

Emotionally, they are much, much different things.

Many definitions go something like this:

voluntary sexual intercourse between a married man and someone other than his wife or between a married woman and someone other than her husband; also :an act of adultery”


I hope that you are not defending Clinton, he is a predator, Monica never claimed that he used force, plenty of others however did.

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Oct 12, 2017 07:53:49   #
usnpilot Loc: Ft Myers Fl
 
foathog wrote:
Whether it be Weinstein or Trump. A scumbag is a scumbag. not to mention Cosby.


What about Bill Clinton, JFK, and LBJ, how soon you liberals forget.

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Oct 12, 2017 07:56:33   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
hondo812 wrote:
Really? Are you knuckleheads suggesting that Weinstein is "p**********l". He's a scumbag, plain and simple. There will be a pile of people that claim they "weren't aware/didn't know" ala Ben Afleck and Matt Damon.

http://deadline.com/2017/10/seth-macfarlane-harvey-weinstein-oscar-joke-explained-1202186425/

In January 2013, MacFarlane, who hosted the Oscars that year, was joined by actress Emma Stone to unveil the nominees. After reading the five actresses in the Supporting Actress category, MacFarlane said: “Congratulations, you five ladies no longer have to pretend to be attracted to Harvey Weinstein.”

Five years ago. Seems to me Hollyweird knew he was a scumbag.
Really? Are you knuckleheads suggesting that Weins... (show quote)


He's as bad as Trump.

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