Exposing to the right.
Oct 6, 2017 19:59:42 #
imagemeister wrote:
WRONG, ( more assumptions) - I process everything I shoot ! ..... 
If the range is great, and the subject relatively stationary I will do a multi-image HDR - in camera . That is the way I would have shot Moonrise Hernandez ....
If the range is great, and the subject relatively stationary I will do a multi-image HDR - in camera . That is the way I would have shot Moonrise Hernandez ....
Ah, but if you read Adams' account, he had just one brief moment - enough to take one single shot. He did not even have enough to flip the film holder to make a second exposure - so a multi-image shot would not have been possible.
I know you process everything. BUT - you did say that you use the EVF and shoot jpg and what you see is what you get, which suggests you don't. I figured I'd get your attention and add the necessarily clarity. . .
Have you every shot raw?
Oct 6, 2017 20:37:25 #
Gene51 wrote:
Ah, but if you read Adams' account, he had just one brief moment - enough to take one single shot. He did not even have enough to flip the film holder to make a second exposure - so a multi-image shot would not have been possible.
I know you process everything. BUT - you did say that you use the EVF and shoot jpg and what you see is what you get, which suggests you don't. I figured I'd get your attention and add the necessarily clarity. . .
Have you every shot raw?
I know you process everything. BUT - you did say that you use the EVF and shoot jpg and what you see is what you get, which suggests you don't. I figured I'd get your attention and add the necessarily clarity. . .
Have you every shot raw?
The Sony in camera HDR will do it with one press of the shutter release - using the evf to set the middle exposure level - so possible ! ( no tripod needed either - unless very low light)
What you see is what you get - for me that just means basic exposure. Levels adjust, sharpening, color correction, saturation, contrast, still need to be done in post as all this varies per subject/lighting.
NO.
Oct 6, 2017 20:56:00 #
Gene, as you probably know, additionally, he couldn't find his light meter. He determined the exposure by knowing the luminosity value of the full moon.
--Bob
--Bob
Gene51 wrote:
Ah, but if you read Adams' account, he had just one brief moment - enough to take one single shot. He did not even have enough to flip the film holder to make a second exposure - so a multi-image shot would not have been possible.
I know you process everything. BUT - you did say that you use the EVF and shoot jpg and what you see is what you get, which suggests you don't. I figured I'd get your attention and add the necessarily clarity. . .
Have you every shot raw?
I know you process everything. BUT - you did say that you use the EVF and shoot jpg and what you see is what you get, which suggests you don't. I figured I'd get your attention and add the necessarily clarity. . .
Have you every shot raw?
Oct 6, 2017 21:00:14 #
cthahn wrote:
What does that supposed to mean?
What "is" that supposed to mean?
Of course no one has a clue what you're asking about.
Oct 6, 2017 23:36:18 #
amfoto1
Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
RWR wrote:
It’s supposed to avoid blowing out highlights - very useful for those who don’t know how to use their light meter.
No, it's not.
Michael Reichman at luminous-landscape.com was an early proponent of ETTR and sort of coined the term.
Simply, ETTR is a scheme to avoid under-exposure, because when you need to "push" exposure higher in post-processing, it tends to greatly increase noise in images.
ETTR applies primarily to auto exposure modes, but can be used in manual exposure mode, too. It takes advantage of the fact that most digital images have more highlight "headroom" than people think. Dialing in +1/3 or +2/3 stop Exposure Compensation (assuming an average "18% gray" subject or scene) moves the histogram display "to the right" and away from the deep shadows.
So, while ETTR shouldn't be done to the extent that will blow out highlights, it's intent is just the opposite of "supposed to avoid blowing out highlights"... it's actually done to prevent overly dark shadow and mid-tone areas areas in images.
ETTR is probably less important now than it was back in 2003 when Reichman was first commenting about it. That's because camera sensor dynamic range and noise reduction in-camera and in post-processing have all improved a great deal in the last 14 or 15 years. But even if you're using a relatively recent model camera and find yourself having to increase the exposure of most or all your images in post-processing, you might try dialing in some + exposure compensation. Just don't push it too far right, to the point that highlights get blown out.
Oct 6, 2017 23:46:33 #
"ETTR is probably less important now than it was back in 2003 when Reichman was first commenting about it".
It's just as important now as it was at any time. The idea is to use as much of the camera's capabilities as one can.
--Bob
It's just as important now as it was at any time. The idea is to use as much of the camera's capabilities as one can.
--Bob
amfoto1 wrote:
No, it's not. br br Michael Reichman at luminous-... (show quote)
Oct 7, 2017 05:55:41 #
imagemeister wrote:
The Sony in camera HDR will do it with one press of the shutter release - using the evf to set the middle exposure level - so possible ! ( no tripod needed either - unless very low light)
What you see is what you get - for me that just means basic exposure. Levels adjust, sharpening, color correction, saturation, contrast, still need to be done in post as all this varies per subject/lighting.
NO.
What you see is what you get - for me that just means basic exposure. Levels adjust, sharpening, color correction, saturation, contrast, still need to be done in post as all this varies per subject/lighting.
NO.
Might be worth venturing into raw, just to see for yourself if it is what it is all cracked up to be . . . You probably already have the software to process it. You could be pleasantly surprised. You won't damage anything by trying it. . . .
Oct 7, 2017 05:58:09 #
rmalarz wrote:
Gene, as you probably know, additionally, he couldn't find his light meter. He determined the exposure by knowing the luminosity value of the full moon.
--Bob
--Bob
Of course.
Oct 7, 2017 09:28:56 #
At some point camera companies will use the raw files for the histogram and then that display won't be up against the right side when the image is properly exposed. In fact I was surprised when the D850 was released that the change wasn't made for it.
Oct 7, 2017 09:34:34 #
Rich, as of yet, I've only marginal knowledge of the D850's capabilities. It would have been nice to see that feature. It might have inspired me to take a serious look at purchasing the camera. However, I'm very happy with the cameras I use and no need to spend money for something only marginally better.
--Bob
--Bob
Rich1939 wrote:
At some point camera companies will use the raw files for the histogram and then that display won't be up against the right side when the image is properly exposed. In fact I was surprised when the D850 was released that the change wasn't made for it.
Oct 7, 2017 09:49:21 #
rmalarz wrote:
Rich, as of yet, I've only marginal knowledge of the D850's capabilities. It would have been nice to see that feature. It might have inspired me to take a serious look at purchasing the camera. However, I'm very happy with the cameras I use and no need to spend money for something only marginally better.
--Bob
--Bob
I am not in the market for a new camera. Yet. But the D850 as some new features that grab my attention, like focus stacking! that could be a good crutch for old dogs like me who have a hard time seeing if our hair is combed.
The new features will of course eventually find their way down to 'lesser' models.
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