Wrangler Loc: North Texas

http://m.chron.com/sports/highschool/article/High-school-football-kicked-off-team-anthem-kneel-12242713.php?ipid=hpctp

If players have the right to protest the USA, does coach have the right to protest the players' actions?

BigBear Loc: Northern CT

It's the coach's team and gets to decide who plays and who leaves.
I think a reprimand would be the first action, but we don't know what the history was between them.

Wrangler Loc: North Texas

I gather the coach said no protests. They did anyway.

I coached wrestling for about 32 years and a code of conduct was published in each wrestler's note book. I also published what would happen if a rule was broken.

In 32 years I only had to dismiss 3 kids. One for flipping the middle finger to the opposing team's crowd after he lost. I had to dismiss 2 for drinking. All 3 came back the next year and were very good wrestlers.

I believe that kids need to be taught that there are consequences for everything you do. Some are good and some are bad.

BigBear Loc: Northern CT

The problem facing the kids of today is that liberals teach there is no hard line and little to no consequences.
And conservatives are the bad guys for enforcing the laws.

SharpShooter Loc: NorCal

You have no idea what liberals teach.
By shooting hot air out both ends, all you do is perpetuate f**e news!!!
Something TURDS are champions at!!
SS

ken hubert Loc: Missouri

You're a product of Liberal teachers and look what a piece if s**t you are!

mwalsh Loc: Houston

Way to go Ronnie!

It's not like he did not tell them ahead of time...

He warned them, they did it anyway, he showed his appreciation!


Hopefully the NFL is finding a way to wind this furor down. Jerry Jones and the Cowboys handled it pretty well.

Twardlow Loc: Arkansas

Well, let’s see if we can explain it so you understand—though it won’t be easy. We have r****m in this country, most importantly to me, we have repeated instances of police k*****g unarmed b****s, then being protected by their departments and the courts.

Some people want to call public attention to this fact, and do it by what is called a ‘protest,’ a public incident or act that calls attention of the public to a wrong.

Seems simple enough, even for you, wrangler.

They don’t protest the f**g; they don’t protest the national anthem; they don’t protest veterans: They Protest A Serious And Dangerous Wrong, an infection within our nation, within our population and within our own individual souls!

These boys could do worse that taking this on.

Two high school football players protest and get kicked off the team. It was a risk. They were kicked off the team, but they brought attention to the injustice locally. Only they can weigh whether the bad that happened to them was overcome by the good they did.

These people risk a backlash for their efforts, and it happens. The uneducated and the r****t resent having injustice called to their attention.

Some people have to think now, to reason, to recognize. Something could come of this.

Remember Rosa Parks?

Remember Martin Luther King?

There were others. Some went to jail, or were beaten by r****ts, or murdered or bombed, or run over by automobiles.

They knew there might be a price to pay, and they were willing to pay it in order to say it.

They acted out of conscience, risking the results, which was laudable and responsible and possibly effective.

They may end up dangling from a rope, but that is out of favor today, as is burning with blowtorches or whipping with cables, cutting souvenirs from dead bodies, and taking your children to witness the demonstration.

This is called racial progress.

Sometimes the people who take this stand are highly paid professional athletes, or underpaid idealistic lawyers or street thugs and radicals, and sometimes—just sometimes—these people are just people, just the disadvantaged tired of being forsaken and h**ed, tired of bigotry and violence, tired of no jobs, no opportunity, no future, no hope.

These two boys—these two P***d b**s—took a stand and paid a price. They’ll survive, hopefully. Some don’t, and there is always a risk, but some rise to meet that risk with no reward but the good they do and the punishment they suffer.

Now, Wrangler, to answer your question: “If players have the right to protest the USA, does coach have the right to protest the players' actions?”

Clearly the players can protest. In my book, the coach didn’t protest; he acted. He divided his team, and perhaps his school; he’ll live with that.

He did not demonstrate dignity, justice, or impartiality. He did not support the growth and ideals of two of his students, and they deserve that much. As a teacher, he should seek justice and idealism and growth of his students, and growth of his school and community.

He failed in compassion, in understanding, as a teacher and leader—He Failed His Students As A Human Being!

Even Jerry Jones did better than this!

In a just world, he would learn from this, introspect, and hope for guidance, and seek wisdom, perhaps learn a lesson—a little late perhaps, but learn it still.

Probably, he won’t.

We all still have work to do, wrangler.

What about you?

BigBear Loc: Northern CT

You liberals are what is keeping r****m alive. Without it there would be no victims to r**t for.

Wrangler Loc: North Texas

The players protested. The coach protested. Or the players reacted to an event. The coach reacted to an event and he forgot to check with you to see if it was OK.

Maybe the moral of the story is you have an inflated sense of self.

Maybe you should go to Chicago this coming week and tell those people to stop all that k*****g. Don't forget to tell them who you are. That would stop most of the black deaths by guns.

Twardlow Loc: Arkansas

Wrangler Loc: North Texas

We agree. I wrote that.

Twardlow Loc: Arkansas

Wrangler, when I read your original question, I took it as a bit of sarcasm. Perhaps I was wrong. I just got back from a walk, considering you question and my interpretation of you question, and I’ll try again, assuming you weren’t being sarcastic, but looking for a serious answer.

The boys have a right to protest, assuming the risk that goes along with it as stated above.

But the coach? I don’t have an answer, but I would ask the following question in seeking an answer.

Did the coach’s action to anything constructive for the boys, the team, the school or the community? I think at least one of those would be his first duty.

Or, on the other hand, did he use this action to salve his own political beliefs, which would not be kosher in my book?

I’m not informed enough on the situation to judge from here, but if I had to judge, this is the question I would want to answer first.

If I did you an injustice in assuming you were the slight bit sarcastic in your question, I apologize.

Twardlow Loc: Arkansas

OK, you reacted to my supposition you were sarcastic. I clarified that later, perobably before you wrote this post. I understand.

The boys reacted to an event or condition,which is what a protest is.

I suppose you mean the coach reacted to an event which was the boy’s protest.

I’ll let my question about the coach’s intention (as above) stand: Did he make anything better, or was he trying to protect his own political beliefs?

Wrangler Loc: North Texas

I hope the kids learned that there are consequences for all actions. It would appear that many young people have not learned that. It seems that some feel they can burn a car, destroy a building or attack a business if their demands are not met and there will be no consequences.

It has been my experience that there are consequences for all actions. Some consequences are pleasant and some are painful.