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Sep 27, 2017 03:02:51   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 

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Sep 27, 2017 13:17:20   #
glyphtrix
 
ChrisT wrote:
This is a computer, Glyph ... and - as already indicated, I use dial-up. Whenever I start to download anything at all, apart from the required Windows Updates ... it phases out, within a very short time.

However, I shall keep my eye peeled for a solution .... thanks for all the suggestions .... UK, huh? ... Born there ...


Okay. But the computer will need to have photo processing software on it if you want to switch between raw and JPEG and resize images. That's independent of your connection.
Those programs arrive compressed just like your updates.

Now if your computer keeps crashing maybe the problem isn't just bad dial up internet maybe you have malware also.

Bitdefender. Is very good protection.

Once you have decreased your image sizes (OFFLINE) then perhaps you'll have less trouble uploading.


Sorry to hear of your rural technical troubles.

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Sep 27, 2017 18:11:39   #
Valsmere Loc: New Jersey
 
I almost quit this site as well do to the squabbling that was going on. I normally keep a low profile that is sometimes mistaken as trolling. However I have always sat back and observed the children in action through my life and the situations I have encountered. Truly I'm glad I didn't for the reason that I have gained some knowledge from this site. Edcuation is priceless.

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Sep 28, 2017 00:58:53   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
glyphtrix wrote:
Okay. But the computer will need to have photo processing software on it if you want to switch between raw and JPEG and resize images. That's independent of your connection.
Those programs arrive compressed just like your updates.

Now if your computer keeps crashing maybe the problem isn't just bad dial up internet maybe you have malware also.

Bitdefender. Is very good protection.

Once you have decreased your image sizes (OFFLINE) then perhaps you'll have less trouble uploading.

Sorry to hear of your rural technical troubles.
Okay. But the computer will need to have photo pro... (show quote)


Glyph ... I didn't write anything about the computer crashing. I just indicated additional downloads (to the Win Update ones, required) phase out after a few minutes, after indicating they would take more than 12 hours.

I don't have any problem with viruses, either. I have very good protection, in that area, and, furthermore, it is continually updated, whenever I am knocked off-line, by an incoming, and have to reboot.

As far as your assertion, I might be having trouble uploading pics, that isn't a problem, either, unless I get knocked off-line. It's just that uploading an 18mp, 20mp or 24mp image on dial-up, takes about two days.

Windows Updates have been proceeding on-schedule, now, continuously, since I bought this PC, in February.

I know it's laborious, but, unless the whole process is completed, I DO take the chance there will be viruses.

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Sep 28, 2017 01:03:08   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
Valsmere wrote:
I almost quit this site as well do to the squabbling that was going on. I normally keep a low profile that is sometimes mistaken as trolling. However I have always sat back and observed the children in action through my life and the situations I have encountered. Truly I'm glad I didn't for the reason that I have gained some knowledge from this site. Edcuation is priceless.


Yes, I agree with you, Val ...

The education one receives here in photography, is priceless, and free, too ....

Don't keep a low profile, Val ... that's not trolling ... that's just being a watcher, and not a do-er ....

Make up a few topic posts ... as long as they're inquisitive, and partially formative - they'll be well-received - ok?

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Sep 28, 2017 08:23:46   #
Valsmere Loc: New Jersey
 
ChrisT wrote:
Yes, I agree with you, Val ...

The education one receives here in photography, is priceless, and free, too ....

Don't keep a low profile, Val ... that's not trolling ... that's just being a watcher, and not a do-er ....

Make up a few topic posts ... as long as they're inquisitive, and partially formative - they'll be well-received - ok?


Thank you ChrisT for the advice. I was at one point seriously doubting on even opening a topic for discussion. I think I will stick around and see what happens. I do look forward to having discussions I for one did not have any problem with your topics. Cheers

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Sep 28, 2017 12:08:00   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
Valsmere wrote:
Thank you ChrisT for the advice. I was at one point seriously doubting on even opening a topic for discussion. I think I will stick around and see what happens. I do look forward to having discussions I for one did not have any problem with your topics. Cheers


Well, thanks, Val ...

I'm up to 60, now, you know ...

Here's a link to all my topics ....

http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/user-topic-list?usernum=79124

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Sep 28, 2017 18:31:20   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
A few things NOT to worry about in the new sections. Unkind behavior and juvenile squabbling will not happen here and if it somehow occurs, those kinds of posts and responses will be deleted. I too, have virus protection, however, you can consider me a human "troll filter"!

As for images posted for discussion, fun, critiques, advice or instruction, don't worry about resolution or obtaining the utmost in screen quality- just do the best you can. Oftentimes, some quality, resolution or range is lost in transmission. At this stage of the new sections we don't have to produce masterpieces or "picture postcards" and we are not running a "print" competition or a salon. It is more important for each of us to provide "grist for the mill" such as conversations, images that pose interesting problems, solutions and questions and create a workshop-like environment.

For many of the members on this site, photography is a hobby which means their participation should provide some fun and entertainment as well as "education" and and avenue for artistic expression. It certainly is not fun to be bullied, belittled or "hazed" by folks who derive their fun by insulting or harassing others. In my own professional business, we often work in teams where many people are involved in the projects. We are frequently working under some degree of stress, there are deadlines and rushes and of course, that's when technical problems or or other snags arise. Even in that environment, a friendly, cooperative and fun atmosphere seasoned with healthy sense of humor keeps the moral up, the creative juices flowing and accelerates the work flow. I hope we can accomplish this kind of a situation here and preclude any stress.

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Sep 28, 2017 18:38:04   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
A few things NOT to worry about in the new sections. Unkind behavior and juvenile squabbling will not happen here and if it somehow occurs, those kinds of posts and responses will be deleted. I too, have virus protection, however, you can consider me a human "troll filter"!

As for images posted for discussion, fun, critiques, advice or instruction, don't worry about resolution or obtaining the utmost in screen quality- just do the best you can. Oftentimes, some quality, resolution or range is lost in transmission. At this stage of the new sections we don't have to produce masterpieces or "picture postcards" and we are not running a "print" competition or a salon. It is more important for each of us to provide "grist for the mill" such as conversations, images that pose interesting problems, solutions and questions and create a workshop-like environment.

For many of the members on this site, photography is a hobby which means their participation should provide some fun and entertainment as well as "education" and and avenue for artistic expression. It certainly is not fun to be bullied, belittled or "hazed" by folks who derive their fun by insulting or harassing others. In my own professional business, we often work in teams where many people are involved in the projects. We are frequently working under some degree of stress, there are deadlines and rushes and of course, that's when technical problems or or other snags arise. Even in that environment, a friendly, cooperative and fun atmosphere seasoned with healthy sense of humor keeps the moral up, the creative juices flowing and accelerates the work flow. I hope we can accomplish this kind of a situation here and preclude any stress.
A few things NOT to worry about in the new section... (show quote)


Sounds good, Ed ... when can we begin?

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Sep 28, 2017 19:33:03   #
Valsmere Loc: New Jersey
 
Thank you Ed it's much appreciated. I am really looking forward to this section. I have posted a photo already, it's where I work. I know it's not the best photo but I have a limit as to what I can work with in the area I'm at.
I do have some cool shots I'll be posting up in the next few days for everyone to see. I guess you can tell by now that I'm involved in the heavy machinery industry.
Best regards
Val

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Oct 12, 2018 18:10:41   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
What can be learned about product photography that can benefit all photographers?

If you are a photographer who is not particularity interested in commercial photography, per se, you may ask why delve into this specialty and subscribe to this section of the forum other than for the sake of passing curiosity. Good question! Perhaps some more artistically inclined photographers consider the commercial aspect of the craft a more workaday endeavor, especially in the areas of product photography - one might envision the pages of a mail order catalog with its clean but not particularly visually exciting or “different” imagery.

From a creative and artistic point of view, there is a good measure of visual psychology involved. In commercial product photography the photographer becomes a vital part of the advertising and SELLING process. Two of the first components of a SALE of any item or service is attracting attention and creating desire for whatever commodity is being offered. Visual illustration and presentation are very persuasive elements. Whether it is an online or print catalog page, a poster, a billboard, a newspaper ad, a TV commercial or the pictures on the packaging of everything on supermarket shelves, we are surrounded by visual stimulation in the commercial world. “A picture is worth a thousand words” may be an understatement, when you come to think about it.

Good photographers need to be good story tellers - their images are their “words” and certain methodologies in creating powerful and tactile imagery can benefit all photographers.

From a technical standpoint, the most important attribute or skill a commercial photographer can possess is that of photographic problem solving. A “product” can be anything, in size, from a tiny electronic microcircuit to a jumbo-jet airliner. Many surfaces are intrinsically problematic and can range from a slate blackboard to a chrome-plated appliance or a mirror and every imaginable surface finish and texture in-between. Often, extreme kinds of surfaces appear on the same item, or two or more vastly different materials or items must be in the same shot.

Aesthetically and psychologically speaking, terrycloth towels have to look soft and fluffy, stainless steel knives have to appear metallic and sharp, kitchen appliances must appear clean and shiny without distracting reflections, flowers must be colorful, yet delicate, tools must look strong, durable and ergonomic, the wood grain of fine furniture has to be rendered correctly, and it goes on and on. There are as many challenges and solutions as there are products.

As for equipment and materials - historically, for many decades, the basic tools of the commercial product photographer were extremely simple and unsophisticated. A wooden or metal large format view camera, with its swings and tilts, a few sharp lenses, a sturdy tripod or camera stand and a decent set of lights were all that was needed. OH! - and an enormous degree of skill and technical savvy! There was no automation as to exposure or focus. There was no PhotoShop kinda post processing. Most of the work for lithographic reproduction was done on color transparency film with little or no latitude. Issues of color balance, filtration, and exact ISO (used to call it ASA) indexes had to be determined for each film batch by careful testing. The photographer was responsible for exposure determination, composition, all manner of image management such as distortion control, depth of field, selective focus, filter and bellows extension factors, lighting aesthetics, and also make certain the resulting transparencies had the proper dynamic range to conform to the final lithographic process. EVERYTHING had to be on the film in that manual transparency retouching and other pre-press remedial applications were tedious and costly and needed to be precluded in most cases.

Nowadays, of course, what with many technical advancements and the advent of the digital imagining, many technicalities have been simplified, automated and made more accessible and convenient, however, many of the older and classical methodologies are still applicable to commercial work and many other aspects of photography. The finite application of lighting has never been automated and still requires perception and skill on the part of the photographer.

It may be surprising to some enthusiasts that some absolutely beautiful and elegant still life imagery can be created with one simple light source and a few home-made reflectors. Shooting glass objects or shooting through glass can be easier than it seems once you have the technique down pat. Whether you are into shooting butterflies, birds and bugs, food and beverages, cars and trucks, antiques and collectibles, landscapes and buildings, or rusty old barn door hinges, there are some things to be gleaned from commercial photographers.

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Thanks E.L. I subscribed.

Mike

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