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Aug 13, 2017 16:27:17   #
shakeelcre
 
I enjoy reading blogs here and most of the members are very experienced and helping.
By profession I am a Medical Imaging Specialist and perform Xrays, CT scans and MRI, I take 1000s of images everyday and I still learn everyday a new thing. Due to nature of my job I start liking Photography and with a $100 Canon point and shoot camera I really take nice pictures due to my professional background and knowledge.
I like Canon and Nikon equally because I believe a camera is just a camera doesn't matter what brand, Its the eye behind the lens which makes all the difference.

It did't took me long time to figure out that Sony Mirror-less camera has the best of the best technology.

I need advice from professionals who are using both or either of the above mentioned Sony cameras ""that why I spend $4000 for Full Frame Sony Alpha a7R II Mirror-less with 24-70 mm f/4 Lens Kit, while I may get the pretty much same results by buying $1648 Crop Sensor Sony Alpha a6500 with 16-50mm and 55-210mm Lenses Kit"" ?

Following are the reasons for buying Sony mirror-less
1) Taking a lot of indoor and outdoor pictures and videos of 7 month child
2) Frequent Pictures of Flowers, Trees and backyard Birds
3) Occasionally Family and Friends wedding and other ceremonies pictures
4) Rarely Lakes, Landscape and Travel Photography
I am not interested in Sports, Buildings, Stars and low light or night time photography.

Here most of the members are professional/experienced and your expert advice going to save me at-least $2300.

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Aug 13, 2017 16:37:22   #
PixelStan77 Loc: Vermont/Chicago
 
shakeelcre wrote:
I enjoy reading blogs here and most of the members are very experienced and helping.
By profession I am a Medical Imaging Specialist and perform Xrays, CT scans and MRI, I take 1000s of images everyday and I still learn everyday a new thing. Due to nature of my job I start liking Photography and with a $100 Canon point and shoot camera I really take nice pictures due to my professional background and knowledge.
I like Canon and Nikon equally because I believe a camera is just a camera doesn't matter what brand, Its the eye behind the lens which makes all the difference.

It did't took me long time to figure out that Sony Mirror-less camera has the best of the best technology.

I need advice from professionals who are using both or either of the above mentioned Sony cameras ""that why I spend $4000 for Full Frame Sony Alpha a7R II Mirror-less with 24-70 mm f/4 Lens Kit, while I may get the pretty much same results by buying $1648 Crop Sensor Sony Alpha a6500 with 16-50mm and 55-210mm Lenses Kit"" ?

Following are the reasons for buying Sony mirror-less
1) Taking a lot of indoor and outdoor pictures and videos of 7 month child
2) Frequent Pictures of Flowers, Trees and backyard Birds
3) Occasionally Family and Friends wedding and other ceremonies pictures
4) Rarely Lakes, Landscape and Travel Photography
I am not interested in Sports, Buildings, Stars and low light or night time photography.

Here most of the members are professional/experienced and your expert advice going to save me at-least $2300.
I enjoy reading blogs here and most of the members... (show quote)


Depending upon your budget, I would go with the 42MP A7Rii..Two different cameras. Both take pictures. Like a car ..VW and Rolls..both have 4 wheels and get you from point A to point B. The issue is how.

http://mirrorlesscomparison.com/preview/sony-a6500-vs-a7rii/

WELCOME to UHH

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Aug 13, 2017 22:32:47   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
If you are shooting indoor pictures without flash (children or weddings), you will appreciate the high ISO, low noise performance of FF vs crop. Indoor shots often require iSOs of 6400 or higher where a flash isn't practical or not allowed, and there is a substantial difference in noise at those ISOs with FF vs crop.

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Aug 14, 2017 06:57:34   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
shakeelcre wrote:
I enjoy reading blogs here and most of the members are very experienced and helping.
By profession I am a Medical Imaging Specialist and perform Xrays, CT scans and MRI, I take 1000s of images everyday and I still learn everyday a new thing. Due to nature of my job I start liking Photography and with a $100 Canon point and shoot camera I really take nice pictures due to my professional background and knowledge.
I like Canon and Nikon equally because I believe a camera is just a camera doesn't matter what brand, Its the eye behind the lens which makes all the difference.

It did't took me long time to figure out that Sony Mirror-less camera has the best of the best technology.

I need advice from professionals who are using both or either of the above mentioned Sony cameras ""that why I spend $4000 for Full Frame Sony Alpha a7R II Mirror-less with 24-70 mm f/4 Lens Kit, while I may get the pretty much same results by buying $1648 Crop Sensor Sony Alpha a6500 with 16-50mm and 55-210mm Lenses Kit"" ?

Following are the reasons for buying Sony mirror-less
1) Taking a lot of indoor and outdoor pictures and videos of 7 month child
2) Frequent Pictures of Flowers, Trees and backyard Birds
3) Occasionally Family and Friends wedding and other ceremonies pictures
4) Rarely Lakes, Landscape and Travel Photography
I am not interested in Sports, Buildings, Stars and low light or night time photography.

Here most of the members are professional/experienced and your expert advice going to save me at-least $2300.
I enjoy reading blogs here and most of the members... (show quote)


I have the A6000 - no complaints.

(Reviews) https://www.youtube.com/user/TheCameraStoreTV/videos
http://www.cameradecision.com/
http://cameras.reviewed.com/
http://camerasize.com/
http://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM
http://snapsort.com/compare
http://www.dpreview.com/products/compare/cameras?utm_campaign=internal-link&utm_source=mainmenu&utm_medium=text&ref=mainmenu

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Aug 14, 2017 08:33:49   #
gsnelson Loc: Western Maryland
 
I have the A7rii and the A6000. Each is a fabulous camera--in its category. They are not rivals. If your budget allows, get the A7rii for its tremendous dynamic range and low-light capability. I have my photos printed large, up to 60 inches on a side. There is a difference in resolution that is very evident. That said, I probably use my A600 more often than my Nikon d750 or Df, both nice cameras.

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Aug 14, 2017 08:57:53   #
repleo Loc: Boston
 
shakeelcre wrote:
I enjoy reading blogs here and most of the members are very experienced and helping.
By profession I am a Medical Imaging Specialist and perform Xrays, CT scans and MRI, I take 1000s of images everyday and I still learn everyday a new thing. Due to nature of my job I start liking Photography and with a $100 Canon point and shoot camera I really take nice pictures due to my professional background and knowledge.
I like Canon and Nikon equally because I believe a camera is just a camera doesn't matter what brand, Its the eye behind the lens which makes all the difference.

It did't took me long time to figure out that Sony Mirror-less camera has the best of the best technology.

I need advice from professionals who are using both or either of the above mentioned Sony cameras ""that why I spend $4000 for Full Frame Sony Alpha a7R II Mirror-less with 24-70 mm f/4 Lens Kit, while I may get the pretty much same results by buying $1648 Crop Sensor Sony Alpha a6500 with 16-50mm and 55-210mm Lenses Kit"" ?

Following are the reasons for buying Sony mirror-less
1) Taking a lot of indoor and outdoor pictures and videos of 7 month child
2) Frequent Pictures of Flowers, Trees and backyard Birds
3) Occasionally Family and Friends wedding and other ceremonies pictures
4) Rarely Lakes, Landscape and Travel Photography
I am not interested in Sports, Buildings, Stars and low light or night time photography.

Here most of the members are professional/experienced and your expert advice going to save me at-least $2300.
I enjoy reading blogs here and most of the members... (show quote)


Welcome to UHH.
I am not a professional, but I have the A6000 and the A7Rii. From the description of what you want to use it for I would definitely go for the A6500. The A6500 is very close to the A7Rii for ISO etc and has a built in flash for when high ISO is not enough. However, I would recommend spending some of the money you are saving on better lenses for the A6500. The 16-50 is fine for when you want something very light and compact, but I find the 55-210 pretty disappointing and it has been gathering dust almost since I got it. The Sony E 18-105 G OSS is the 'one' lens to get. You will find it much more flexible and great for both stills and video.

If you add another lens, consider the Sony E 35mm f1.8 which is a really nice length for indoor portraits. Others posters may recommend the Sigma version which is very highly thought of, but you will loose 'eye' focus capability which is a fabulous feature on the Sonys. You will have to delve into a good manual to figure out how to use eye focus, but it is invaluable for your people and events shots.

Shooting babies and toddlers is hard. They move so fast. The A6500 has super fast focus and almost unlimited burst mode which will help. I believe the video capabilities of the A6500 are even better than the A7Rii. I like my A7Rii, but it is a different animal. The camera and associated FF lenses are much heavier and bulkier. For the type of shots you mentioned I don't think you will get much improvement over the A6500 and will suffer a lot more inconvenience and expense and end up with less 'fun'.

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Aug 14, 2017 10:11:18   #
cthahn
 
You purchase the best camera and the cheapest lens. Like a Mercedes with the cheapest tires.

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Aug 14, 2017 10:56:35   #
jmsail365 Loc: Stamford, Ct
 
I traded the a6300 in for the a7rII in January during the trade in sale. The a7rII is one of the top rated cameras. Check it out on DPreview and DXO Mark. The 42mp resolution is outstanding and allows you to really crop photos down. I have found the camera a real step up from the 6300. If you read the reviews about the 6500 it's an improvement over the 6300 & 6000 but some of the reviews say the touch screen is balky & not very advanced. IMO the a7rII is the superior camera.

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Aug 14, 2017 11:22:33   #
a6k Loc: Detroit & Sanibel
 
On price and weight, the a6xxx series wins, no contest. But the quality of the sensor is a lot better in the FF a7Rii. Compare the test images on ImagingResource dot com and see for yourself. And in the higher ISO shots, especially, the difference is very significant.

I've computed the pixel pitch/pixel density and the a6xxx's are about 15% more dense or with smaller pixels. That would, in theory, help with extreme cropping such as for birds and other wildlife. But I found when I used the same SONY lens on my a6000 vs a rented a7Rii that the FF camera's sensor is a lot better. I own the a6000 and like it.

There is a new lens test on DXO of the new FE 100-400 GM and if you look carefully you will see that with it, the p-mpx of the a7Rii is 36 (vs theoretical max of 42) whereas the p-mpx of the same lens on the a6000 is only about 10 out of 24. I interpret this to mean that with equal optics, the performance of the FF sensor is much better (relationship of p-mpx to max. possible). I don't know if DXO intended their metric to be used that way, but that is my layman's understanding of the result. It also reflects my own experience with the two cameras using the SONY SAL 70-400 and the necessary adapter (which has no optics of its own).

Just FYI, though, I ended up buying the RX10iii which does not compete with either camera in theory but which gave me much better results by way of "keepers". If you pixel peep those results, the 6000/6500/7Rii are much better, but at reasonable enlargements, the bridge camera was the right choice for me. It also has much better video than the a7Rii. Using 4K video, I can get some otherwise impossible stills at acceptable image quality. YMMV.

I understand that you are asking about the 6500 vs the 6000 that I'm citing. But if you pixel peep the ImagingResource sample shots (use raw version) you will see that there is no significant improvement from 6000 to 6500, especially above ISO 800. There again, equal optics were used.

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Aug 14, 2017 12:01:33   #
shakeelcre
 
I thank you Repleo.
I think it will be better for me to invest in good lenses instead of body.
I appreciate your recommendation and I will go for A6500.
I am thinking to buy Canon prime lenses over Sony, since we all know that when it comes to lens Sony $$$ hurts and there is little to no difference in lens quality. What's your opinion about using Canon Prime lens over Sony lens.

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Aug 14, 2017 12:09:58   #
shakeelcre
 
I thank you for everyone who shared their knowledge and wisdom. After pondering and keeping two vital points in consideration 1. My Budget 2. All of recommendations and feed back from group members, I decided to buy Sony A6500 instead of investing money on expensive FF body. The $$$$ I am going to save by buying Sony A6500, I will be investing in good prime Lenses. I am thinking to buy Canon prime lenses over Sony, since we all know that when it comes to lens Sony $$$ hurts and there is little to no difference in lens quality. What's your opinion about using Canon Prime lens over Sony lens. Since Sony A6500 has 5-Axis incamera stabilization so I don't have to worry about IS lens. Please share your thoughts and experience about using Canon or Sigma Lenses on Sony Body.

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Aug 14, 2017 12:41:05   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
Go for the A6500, but upgrade the lenses.

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Aug 14, 2017 12:47:04   #
repleo Loc: Boston
 
shakeelcre wrote:
I thank you Repleo.
I think it will be better for me to invest in good lenses instead of body.
I appreciate your recommendation and I will go for A6500.
I am thinking to buy Canon prime lenses over Sony, since we all know that when it comes to lens Sony $$$ hurts and there is little to no difference in lens quality. What's your opinion about using Canon Prime lens over Sony lens.


I have no experience of Canon lenses although I am toying with the idea of getting a Canon or Tamron for Canon mid-zoom lens for my A7Rii. If you get the A6500 I would stick with the Sony or Sony / Zeiss lenses at least for the 'people / baby' shots.
I stand by my recommendation for the 18-105 as the best all-round single lens. The Sony Zeiss E 16-70 might have a little better quality but less flexibility. If you want to 'future proof' a bit you may consider some of the Full Frame (FE) lenses. There are several 50 - 55 mm primes to choose from. The Sony 90mm 2.8 Macro is a big, but stellar lens for portraits and macro work.

With regard to the quality of Canon over Sony lenses, I think that is an argument best left to the 'connoisseurs.' If this were a wine forum it would be like arguing if one vineyards $300 bottle is better than another guys $400 bottle. If your palette can tell the difference by all means go with the experts recommendations. If you are just looking for a $15 white to go with your fish or a $30 red to go with your steak you are probably listening to the wrong people. For your lenses, start with practicality and ease of use and get the best you can afford. Any third party lenses will be much heavier and bulkier. Also you will loose the benefit of Eye focus and maybe some of the focus tracking or face recognition features with an adapted lens. The Canons will require an expensive Metabones adapter to give any sort of auto focus. When you get used to your A6500 you may want to experiment with some of the manual 'legacy' lenses with a cheap ($15) adapter. Also, if you want to get serious about birding you will probably end up looking beyond Sony for a good telephoto lens.

My number one advice for the A6500 is to get a proper guide book like David Busch's or Gary Friedman. The Sony A6xxx are so feature rich you will be amazed what you can do. Also, check out the Sony Playmemories Apps. Some of them are just fun, but there are a couple that are really useful.

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Aug 14, 2017 12:50:47   #
Toment Loc: FL, IL
 
I love my a6500 and am considering moving up to the 7rii also. BUT would need a $2-3000 lens investment. I think for you just getting the 6500 and the 18-105 (27-150 equiv) would be a good move
Use the 16-60 when you need less kit. My Canon lens 24-70L I is quite heavy, but when you use on the a6500 with Fotodiox auto adapter, the AF is almost as fast as using it on the 5Diii

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Aug 14, 2017 14:11:06   #
chapjohn Loc: Tigard, Oregon
 
I have a photog friend who use the A6500 for video and loves it. Video is main advantage of the A6500.

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