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Aug 8, 2017 02:53:42   #
mas24 Loc: Southern CA
 
I drove to Chula Vista, CA to visit a friend this past weekend. We went out for dinner there, and we discussed the future building of the U.S. Mexican Border Wall. He said he heard that Bids had been submitted to the US Government, and that some initial construction had begun. The cost of the entire wall is estimated to cost about 10 billion dollars. The wall obviously has to be on the US side. And will begin from the State of California, and all the way through Texas. Nearly 2,000 miles. There will be some environmental impact and Eminent Domain issues too. Some American ranchers and farmers who own land close to the border are opposed, and some are not opposed to the wall. The U.S. Border Patrol prefers a sturdy tall fence, with steel rods spaced just wide enough, so they can see drug smugglers through it, rather than a solid wall. A 2,000 mile solid wall seems impractical, and too expensive. Hiring more Border Patrol Agents, and giving them better equipment, such as drones, night seeing devices, surveillance equipment, etc, seems the most practical way to me. Congress most likely will not allocate 10 billion dollars for the wall. Maintenance of the wall will also be costly. Most Southern Californians already know, Mexico is not paying for that wall.

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Aug 8, 2017 03:07:46   #
Leicaflex Loc: Cymru
 
Mexico will pay for the border restriction, indirectly through import tariffs.

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Aug 8, 2017 04:23:33   #
tradio Loc: Oxford, Ohio
 
Instead of the wall, why not fine employers $10,000 per example of illegal employment? Second offense, jail time.

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Aug 8, 2017 06:07:44   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
Leicaflex wrote:
Mexico will pay for the border restriction, indirectly through import tariffs.


Right!

Americans will chip in with higher fruit and vegetable costs. We'll see who gets hurt the most on that deal.

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Aug 8, 2017 08:52:55   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
Leicaflex wrote:
Mexico will pay for the border restriction, indirectly through import tariffs.


You need to think that one out. If Mexican goods cost more and they're exported to the US, who pays for the extra cost? Could it be the consumer?
Already we see that our deteriorating relationship with Mexico is having an impact on our farmers. Mexico always bought corn from US Farmers but now has decided to buy it from South America.
Trump caused 11 of his businesses to go bankrupt because he doesn't understand how they work or because he stole money from them. He's treating the USA like his own business and our economy will show that.

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Aug 8, 2017 10:17:51   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
DaveO wrote:
Right!

Americans will chip in with higher fruit and vegetable costs. We'll see who gets hurt the most on that deal.


Would you rather pay lower prices and keep the border open?

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Aug 8, 2017 10:23:09   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
letmedance wrote:
Would you rather pay lower prices and keep the border open?


So you are saying that the wall is the only solution to prevent an "open border" and opponents are automatically in favor of open borders? Are you also conceding that the consumer will pay higher prices that essentially means that we are paying for the wall as well?

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Aug 8, 2017 10:26:04   #
mwalsh Loc: Houston
 
Leicaflex wrote:
Mexico will pay for the border restriction, indirectly through import tariffs.


I guess you don't understand who actually pays the tab for tariffs ...

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Aug 8, 2017 10:31:34   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
mwalsh wrote:
I guess you don't understand who actually pays the tab for tariffs ...

We could problem pay the additional cost by directing campaign contributions and have a bundle left over. Just a thought.

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Aug 8, 2017 10:44:24   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
DaveO wrote:
So you are saying that the wall is the only solution to prevent an "open border" and opponents are automatically in favor of open borders? Are you also conceding that the consumer will pay higher prices that essentially means that we are paying for the wall as well?


I am saying nothing, I am asking a question?

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Aug 8, 2017 10:59:31   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
letmedance wrote:
I am saying nothing, I am asking a question?


Cop out...not a discussion.

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Aug 8, 2017 11:11:04   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
I asked a question, do not try to put words in my mouth.

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Aug 8, 2017 11:13:32   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
letmedance wrote:
I asked a question, do not try to put words in my mouth.


If you do not wish to clarify my questions before answering yours, it is not possible for me to continue. Nice try at trying to put words in my mouth..

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Aug 8, 2017 11:22:30   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
DaveO wrote:
If you do not wish to clarify my questions before answering yours, it is not possible for me to continue. Nice try at trying to put words in my mouth..


Well you certainly made an assumption as to my beliefs based on a question I asked and then expressed it. I would gladly pay the extra 10 to 15 cents earned by an American citizen picking it as it would be offset by lower unemployment costs.

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Aug 8, 2017 12:24:05   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
letmedance wrote:
Would you rather pay lower prices and keep the border open?


Your question is based upon the assumption that the border wall will actually keep i*****l i*******ts out and it won't. Every study ever done revealed that most i*****l i*******ts enter the United States at it's major airports and simply overstay their visas. That will continue and the wall will do nothing but create havoc for the Americans that live and work near the border.

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