if the government gets out of healthcare then what?
Jul 18, 2017 07:23:37 #
the right wants the government out of everything these days. if the government is to get totally out of health care that would have to include Medicare and Medicaid also. so what would we be left with?
with Medicare and Medicaid we had 40 million uninsured, without them and no rules or guidelines, are we to trust the insurance industry to look out for us? 80% of the American population cannot afford to pay their medical bills out of their wages.
with Medicare and Medicaid we had 40 million uninsured, without them and no rules or guidelines, are we to trust the insurance industry to look out for us? 80% of the American population cannot afford to pay their medical bills out of their wages.
Jul 18, 2017 07:32:19 #
I guess my question would be focused on why the costs are so high in the first place.
--Bob
--Bob
bull drink water wrote:
the right wants the government out of everything these days. if the government is to get totally out of health care that would have to include Medicare and Medicaid also. so what would we be left with?
with Medicare and Medicaid we had 40 million uninsured, without them and no rules or guidelines, are we to trust the insurance industry to look out for us? 80% of the American population cannot afford to pay their medical bills out of their wages.
with Medicare and Medicaid we had 40 million uninsured, without them and no rules or guidelines, are we to trust the insurance industry to look out for us? 80% of the American population cannot afford to pay their medical bills out of their wages.
Jul 18, 2017 07:40:57 #
Jul 18, 2017 08:12:44 #
tradio wrote:
Is it the Government's responsibility to provide healthcare?
That's debatable but the t***h is we're the only western country that does not guarantee healthcare to all our citizens. It doesn't necessarily have to be medicaid or even a one payer system but it has to be workable and affordable. We currently subsidize oil companies, why not healthcare?
Jul 18, 2017 10:28:19 #
Frank T wrote:
That's debatable but the t***h is we're the only western country that does not guarantee healthcare to all our citizens. It doesn't necessarily have to be medicaid or even a one payer system but it has to be workable and affordable. We currently subsidize oil companies, why not healthcare?
There is no large population country that has a successful single(government)payer system. I for one do not want the gov't. making decisions about my health. In England at this time the government run health care systen=m wants tto turn of the machines that are keeping a baby alive, while the parents do not. Do youwant the government making that decision for your child? Canada has about 50 MRI machines in the entire country The US has about 3500. So where do you think will be virtually no waiting time to have an MRI. health care decisions should be between the doc and the patient, PERIOD. If you think that taxes are high now, single payer would makethem shyrocket. You either live in a free market system or you do not. A very good friend of mine has Non Hodgkin's lymphoma. He is 77 years old. Treatment runs into way over 200K. In a Government controlled syetem he would have been refused treatment because of the cost of keeping an elderly man alive. I do not want a government making those kinds of decisions.
Jul 18, 2017 11:28:55 #
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rmalarz wrote:
insurance companies actually provide no value and cost 1/3 of the total healthcare bill.I guess my question would be focused on why the costs are so high in the first place.
--Bob
--Bob
Jul 18, 2017 12:22:16 #
You're close enough, but it isn't solely the insurance companies. The lawsuit happy society in which we live has driven medical costs upward considerably. Doctors have to pay a very large premium for malpractice insurance. That gets passed on to the patient. Since it is part of the medical bill, it gets paid, or partially paid, by the health insurance companies. For all I know, it could be the very same insurance companies that are covering the patients as covering the doctors. Either way, one cost is affecting the other.
--Bob
--Bob
user47602 wrote:
insurance companies actually provide no value and cost 1/3 of the total healthcare bill.
Jul 18, 2017 12:47:15 #
rmalarz wrote:
I guess my question would be focused on why the costs are so high in the first place.
--Bob
--Bob
It's called a free market.
And people will pay almost anything to keep from dying, especially one of their kids!
When most of us where born it cost a few hundred dollars to be delivered. Now that's what an aspirin cost!! But when that aspirin is being paid for by insurance, nobody cares or even ask...., they just marvel at it and brag about it on their bill.
No longer will they marvel at it...., they will write the check for it!!!
SS
Jul 18, 2017 12:51:45 #
tradio wrote:
Is it the Government's responsibility to provide healthcare?
If not the government then who?
It's NOT an employers responsibility!
Then who..., us???
I'll bet YOU can't afford it, I don't care HOW MUCH money you make!!!
SS
Jul 18, 2017 12:53:42 #
Frank T wrote:
That's debatable but the t***h is we're the only western country that does not guarantee healthcare to all our citizens. It doesn't necessarily have to be medicaid or even a one payer system but it has to be workable and affordable. We currently subsidize oil companies, why not healthcare?
Another lie! We do NOT subsidize oil companies.
Jul 18, 2017 12:56:05 #
rmalarz wrote:
You're close enough, but it isn't solely the insur... (show quote)
so do we bar all lawsuits against doctors and hospitals???
Jul 18, 2017 12:57:34 #
ken hubert wrote:
Another lie! We do NOT subsidize oil companies.
like hell we don't. how about the bush tax cuts??
Jul 18, 2017 12:58:53 #
bull drink water wrote:
the right wants the government out of everything these days. if the government is to get totally out of health care that would have to include Medicare and Medicaid also. so what would we be left with?
with Medicare and Medicaid we had 40 million uninsured, without them and no rules or guidelines, are we to trust the insurance industry to look out for us? 80% of the American population cannot afford to pay their medical bills out of their wages.
with Medicare and Medicaid we had 40 million uninsured, without them and no rules or guidelines, are we to trust the insurance industry to look out for us? 80% of the American population cannot afford to pay their medical bills out of their wages.
The government doesn't provide health care. The health care industry does. Health care was corrupted like everything else the government gets involved in.
Jul 18, 2017 13:00:29 #
bull drink water wrote:
like hell we don't. how about the bush tax cuts??
Tax cuts aren't a subsidy. A subsidy is similar to those food stamps you get.
Jul 18, 2017 13:22:45 #
Reductio ad absurdum isn't the answer. However, the situation involving frivolous lawsuits does need examination.
--Bob
--Bob
bull drink water wrote:
so do we bar all lawsuits against doctors and hospitals???
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