What will stop the Massive decline in Interchangable Lens Camera Sales? (Page 12): Apparently you do not understand what "the Internet" is. When you share pictures via cell phone...

rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA

therwol wrote:

Phones let you share pictures without being connected to the internet. They go through the cell phone network. You can be out in the middle of a lake and instantly share a picture of a fish you just caught.

Apparently you do not understand what "the Internet" is. When you share pictures via cell phone towers, your connection to the towers uses radio waves, but the phone system is connected to the Internet, so you are using the Internet anytime you do not directly attach a picture to a text message, which I'm guessing is most of the time ... but your comment was off-topic in any case, so I won't pursue this line any further.

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CHOLLY wrote:

Folks, sales of the tools we love to practice our craft and trade are dropping like a stone.

Why?

Many think Cell Phones with cameras are the problem... and to a certain extent this is true. But what professional photographer does a wedding with an iPhone? None... yet.

The problem with where the market is going is this; we as consumers are losing options and choices. The market is rapidly contracting, and if we aren't careful, many of us will be left out in the cold.

That's the last thing to worry about ,there is a huge number of people that are not caught up in the camera crap , they just want to Snape a keep sake photo , there phones are a blessing to them , I am happy for them , and if the wedding, and all the other pics in the mags and
Other medium could turn out as good with a iPhone as a $3000 nikon or canon I'm all for it ,just think of the weight off your body, but untell the time that gets here you will be to old to care any way , I hope it comes to pass soon , if it doesn't we are doomed to pack around
These bemoths of a camera for a long while yet ,

therwol Loc: USA

rehess wrote:

Apparently you do not understand what "the Internet" is. When you share pictures via cell phone towers, your connection to the towers uses radio waves, but the phone system is connected to the Internet, so you are using the Internet anytime you do not directly attach a picture to a text message, which I'm guessing is most of the time ... but your comment was off-topic in any case, so I won't pursue this line any further.

Apparently you didn't understand what I meant. Cholly wrote, "I have or had cameras that allow me to upload one image or a whole folder of images to the platform of my choice." To me, that implies that you can do it anywhere. You can't with only a camera. You can with only a phone. That makes phones more convenient for instant sharing, and that's an attraction.

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mas24 wrote:

I have seen some excellent photos from taken by iPhone cameras. These users take full advantage of what the phone camera is capable of, and produce sharp images. IPhones cameras are going to get better on each upgrade. Whether they will completely put DSLR manufacturers out of business. My opinion is, not yet,

This will tale a long time to happen. You still have a tiny sensor in the iPhone and no optical zoom, no high quality lenses, and resolution is poor compared to some of the higher end ILC cameras.

I'll admit it is possible to take some pretty decent pictures with a good smartphone camera in "daylight" or with good light conditions. It's really a question of "what is good enough" for some people. -- and good enough for me is NOT the iPhone.

A great photographer can take better pictures with a smartphone than a crummy photographer with a fancy DSLR or MILC, however a great photographer with a DSLR/MILC will in almost all cases easily outperform a great photographer with a smartphone camera.

The analogy is a powerful/skilled Soldier with a sword (iPhone) against a powerful/skilled Soldier with an assault rifle (DSLR/MILC).

It's not just the photographer that matters -- the tool factors into the equation as well.

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Reinaldokool wrote:

Just a story. I was with my daughter in Monterrey,... (show quote)

That's a great story. I've managed to get some people into photography just by showing them what a DSLR/MILC can do.

I had a Canon AE1 back in the 80s and was really into photography for about six years and then got busy and lost interest. I got back into it a few years ago when someone with a Sony A7 showed me what a modern MILC could do. Now I purely use a smartphone only as backup, when I don't have an ILC with me.

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We can all play our part. Teach/educate. Teach the craft and appreciation of photography to your children.

We're all even doing our part to help educate by participating in UHH.

rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA

therwol wrote:

Apparently you didn't understand what I meant. Cholly wrote, "I have or had cameras that allow me to upload one image or a whole folder of images to the platform of my choice." To me, that implies that you can do it anywhere. You can't with only a camera. You can with only a phone. That makes phones more convenient for instant sharing, and that's an attraction.

And that would be because of your choice of wording. "Internet" added neither truth nor clarity to your argument.

Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA

Blame it on ebay and Paypal. Why buy a new camera when you can buy a camera that was hot a few years ago for 1/3 the price used. And if it's not as advertised, Paypal will refund your money.

Marionsho Loc: Kansas

Quantus5 wrote:

We can all play our part. Teach/educate. Teach the craft and appreciation of photography to your children.

We're all even doing our part to help educate by participating in UHH.

Mary Kate Loc: NYC

Doug52332 wrote:

I guess it's another of the "There are two types of people in this world..." scenarios. Those who care about their craft will use what it takes to get the shot. Those who don't, won't.

Craft?? There are more colloquial people with DSLR's than there are people who even think about the word "craft". I take pictures. I care how they turn out. For me, the word craft never comes to mind.

Marionsho Loc: Kansas

Mary Kate wrote:

Craft?? There are more colloquial people with DSLR's than there are people who even think about the word "craft". I take pictures. I care how they turn out. For me, the word craft never comes to mind.

Then, by definition, you are the OTHER type.

Marionsho Loc: Kansas

Bobspez wrote:

Blame it on ebay and Paypal. Why buy a new camera when you can buy a camera that was hot a few years ago for 1/3 the price used. And if it's not as advertised, Paypal will refund your money.

Please clarify your reply. I didn't think ILC cameras would ever be bought in the first place. Let alone come up on the USED camera market. How could we blame it on Paypal and Ebay, just for allowing someone to sell their USED stuff that has already been bought and payed fur?

blackest Loc: Ireland

Marionsho wrote:

Please clarify your reply. I didn't think ILC cameras would ever be bought in the first place. Let alone come up on the USED camera market. How could we blame it on Paypal and Ebay, just for allowing someone to sell their USED stuff that has already been bought and payed fur?

There is nothing wrong with the used market, if you had the latest and greatest and want the latest then you will probably want to sell your older camera. The fella buying your used camera likely wouldn't pay for the latest and greatest anyway, maybe a while down the road he will but you have to start somewhere. Without used sales there would be less new sales.

Marionsho Loc: Kansas

blackest wrote:

There is nothing wrong with the used market, if you had the latest and greatest and want the latest then you will probably want to sell your older camera. The fella buying your used camera likely wouldn't pay for the latest and greatest anyway, maybe a while down the road he will but you have to start somewhere. Without used sales there would be less new sales.

CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!

therwol wrote:

Of course the average person using a cell phone for pictures would ask, "Why would I need a camera? My phone can take pictures." I can see that someone using a camera might under some circumstances fine it useful to upload pictures through a cell phone, however I'm not so much into instant sharing. I like to sit down and organize what I share with other people first.

The snap-shooter probably wouldn't need a camera.

But for the person who actually wants more flexibility AND image quality than his phone can physically or electronically deliver... but was weaned on instant gratification, a camera that can upload images directly to the cell phone might be a great step-up.