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Jun 25, 2012 17:33:42   #
oldtool2 Loc: South Jersey
 
Dunatic wrote:
oldtool2 wrote:
So far I have found this thread interesting to say the least. As far as the general rules go they have all been thrown to the wind. Basically what everyone is saying is for me to do what ever I want depending on what I am trying to show with each individual photo.

In most of my photos the extras are cowboys just trying to stay out of the way of the rider. They normally are jumping to the side or climbing the fence to try not to get kicked. They really do not add much to the shot so I try not to include them in most of the photos. If I do this crop it does get tighter.

Those of you that know anything about rodeo know the cowboy’s score for the ride depends on two things. Actually three. First the ride must last eight seconds. Second the bull is scored on how well he kicks and bucks. Third is how well the cowboy rides the bull. If he lasts the required eight seconds his score becomes a combination of numbers two and three.

I guess that is where the story really is. How well he hangs on and how hard the bull tries to get rid of him. Considering that then the tighter crop would probably be the better photo.

Then again, because of the distance these shots were taken from many of them do tell a part of the story. Here is the original of the one photo I posted. It shows the bull being released from the shoot and the gate having just been opened. It is a part of the story. Maybe I shouldn’t crop it at all?

Thanks everyone for your thoughts and opinions. Looks like I have a lot of work ahead of me.

Jim D
So far I have found this thread interesting to say... (show quote)


In my opinion, this is the photo that I like the best - shows action and the expression of those involved. I don't need a tight crop to see the action. I rather see the story and to me this photo shows it. As you can see, the opinions of those on this forum will differ. Use your best judgment as to what pleases you and your Client if you are printing for them -- give them a choice "cropped" or not. Beautiful work by the way, Cheryl
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Cheryl,

Thank you for the compliment, much appreciated. Your right, very varie opinions.

Jim D

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Jul 27, 2012 04:51:46   #
glojo Loc: South Devon, England
 
I'm not a photographer, nor an artist, I simply like looking at photographs and study them for what they are.

The looser crop gives me a picture of the scene or event. I can see the action, see the dust fly, see the expressions on faces of the various participants.

The closer crops deprive me of all this and directs me to look at a specific as opposed to the whole. Some of the crops take away the bulls legs and it rests somehow on its chest, others just show one person riding the bull!!

I guess it should be all about you and what you want to show but if you are selling the you have to play the game to the rules of the piper. If you take pictures of a rodeo, then should you show the rodeo?

Quick question if I may.
The bulls look like the have the legs of a corgi as opposed to a German Shepherd, are the short legs an optical illusion, or are they really that short?

Nice pictures and nice comments which go to show..

You can please some of the people some of the time,

But

You will NEVER please all of the people, ALL of the time. :thumbup: :wink:

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Jul 27, 2012 10:23:23   #
oldtool2 Loc: South Jersey
 
glojo wrote:
I'm not a photographer, nor an artist, I simply like looking at photographs and study them for what they are.

The looser crop gives me a picture of the scene or event. I can see the action, see the dust fly, see the expressions on faces of the various participants.

The closer crops deprive me of all this and directs me to look at a specific as opposed to the whole. Some of the crops take away the bulls legs and it rests somehow on its chest, others just show one person riding the bull!!

I guess it should be all about you and what you want to show but if you are selling the you have to play the game to the rules of the piper. If you take pictures of a rodeo, then should you show the rodeo?

Quick question if I may.
The bulls look like the have the legs of a corgi as opposed to a German Shepherd, are the short legs an optical illusion, or are they really that short?

Nice pictures and nice comments which go to show..

You can please some of the people some of the time,

But

You will NEVER please all of the people, ALL of the time. :thumbup: :wink:
I'm not a photographer, nor an artist, I simply li... (show quote)


You caught me by surprise, did not expect any more comments on this thread! I agree with your comment about pleasing some of the people. That was the reason for the question. If you read all the comments you will see I got quite a mixed bag of thoughts.

After reading all the comments I tried to crop the photos on each ones strong points. The finished album is posted here if you are interested. Warning, there are 91 images in total from that night.

http://www.photo-gallery.sjerseyglass.com/Rodeo%206-16-2012/

To answer your question, these bulls are bred for the rodeos and are for there bucking ability. Cowtown raises some of the best in the country. The short legs are part of that breeding.

Here are a couple from a different night. You can see how short the legs are.

Jim D





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Jul 27, 2012 10:38:55   #
CAM1017 Loc: Chiloquin, Oregon
 
glojo wrote:
I'm not a photographer, nor an artist, I simply like looking at photographs and study them for what they are.

The looser crop gives me a picture of the scene or event. I can see the action, see the dust fly, see the expressions on faces of the various participants.

The closer crops deprive me of all this and directs me to look at a specific as opposed to the whole. Some of the crops take away the bulls legs and it rests somehow on its chest, others just show one person riding the bull!!

I guess it should be all about you and what you want to show but if you are selling the you have to play the game to the rules of the piper. If you take pictures of a rodeo, then should you show the rodeo?

Quick question if I may.
The bulls look like the have the legs of a corgi as opposed to a German Shepherd, are the short legs an optical illusion, or are they really that short?

Nice pictures and nice comments which go to show..

You can please some of the people some of the time,

But

You will NEVER please all of the people, ALL of the time. :thumbup: :wink:
I'm not a photographer, nor an artist, I simply li... (show quote)


I found your comments on close to a looser crop very interesting. I will keep it in mind as I see it as a very good point in these type of Rodeo photographs. :thumbup:

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Jul 27, 2012 10:50:11   #
oldtool2 Loc: South Jersey
 
CAM1017 wrote:
glojo wrote:
I'm not a photographer, nor an artist, I simply like looking at photographs and study them for what they are.

The looser crop gives me a picture of the scene or event. I can see the action, see the dust fly, see the expressions on faces of the various participants.

The closer crops deprive me of all this and directs me to look at a specific as opposed to the whole. Some of the crops take away the bulls legs and it rests somehow on its chest, others just show one person riding the bull!!

I guess it should be all about you and what you want to show but if you are selling the you have to play the game to the rules of the piper. If you take pictures of a rodeo, then should you show the rodeo?

Quick question if I may.
The bulls look like the have the legs of a corgi as opposed to a German Shepherd, are the short legs an optical illusion, or are they really that short?

Nice pictures and nice comments which go to show..

You can please some of the people some of the time,

But

You will NEVER please all of the people, ALL of the time. :thumbup: :wink:
I'm not a photographer, nor an artist, I simply li... (show quote)


I found your comments on close to a looser crop very interesting. I will keep it in mind as I see it as a very good point in these type of Rodeo photographs. :thumbup:
quote=glojo I'm not a photographer, nor an artist... (show quote)


Make sure you read all the comments though. Bottom line, there is no right or wrong. If you look at the album I put together you will see some photos that draw attention to the rodeo itself. Others draw attention to the bulls or the riders. At times the rider deserves to have the attention drawn to him to show his skills.

Jim D

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Jul 27, 2012 11:28:08   #
glojo Loc: South Devon, England
 
oldtool2 wrote:


Make sure you read all the comments though. Bottom line, there is no right or wrong. If you look at the album I put together you will see some photos that draw attention to the rodeo itself. Others draw attention to the bulls or the riders. At times the rider deserves to have the attention drawn to him to show his skills.

Jim D
I think that is why I asked my questions.. Strangely enough I am someone that actually reads the thread before passing comment :) Bad habit I know but I just getting too old to change those spots :)

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Jul 27, 2012 11:41:39   #
oldtool2 Loc: South Jersey
 
glojo wrote:
oldtool2 wrote:


Make sure you read all the comments though. Bottom line, there is no right or wrong. If you look at the album I put together you will see some photos that draw attention to the rodeo itself. Others draw attention to the bulls or the riders. At times the rider deserves to have the attention drawn to him to show his skills.

Jim D
I think that is why I asked my questions.. Strangely enough I am someone that actually reads the thread before passing comment :) Bad habit I know but I just getting too old to change those spots :)
quote=oldtool2 br br Make sure you read all the... (show quote)


No, a good habit. I wish more did actually read the whole thread. It might stop some of the stupid questions we see at times.

Nothing personal meant by that remark, just pointing out how varied the opinions are.

Jim D

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