gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast

bull drink water Loc: pontiac mi.

all religions are about controlling the actions and thoughts of the people. most start off as under dogs, but as they gain power, they want to control non-believers the same as they control their believers. what we can't allow is enacting law based on their religious beliefs.

rpavich Loc: West Virginia

That's the biggest load of hogwash I've ever read, from the title to the last word.

rpavich Loc: West Virginia

Some might be but don't lump Christianity in with this. If you think that, you don't know the first thing about it.



Again, ignorance about Christianity.



Hahaha...we already have them. Our basic human rights come from God. No humanistic/materialistic worldview can supply the necessary framework for an absolute morality. What you DON'T want are folks who realize the futility of a world where they are just the product of random chance mutations with no intrinsic worth or importance. See just about any communist nation of the last 100 years for the results of this ideology.

The colonists who settled here knew this.

Noah Webster (the man personally responsible for Art. I, Sec. 8.8 of the U. S. Constitution) said the following about it:

"The duties of men are summarily comprised in the The Commandments, consisting of two tables; one comprehending the duties which we owe immediately to God-the other, the duties we owe to our fellow men."


I could list a dozen more instances showing where God's commandments are the backbone of states laws but you get the idea.

StanRP Loc: Ontario Canada

[quote=rpavich]Hahaha...we already have them. Our basic human rights come from God. No humanistic/materialistic worldview can supply the necessary framework for an absolute morality. What you DON'T want are folks who realize the futility of a world where they are just the product of random chance mutations with no intrinsic worth or importance. See just about any communist nation of the last 100 years for the results of this ideology.

The colonists who settled here knew this.

Noah Webster (the man personally responsible for Art. I, Sec. 8.8 of the U. S. Constitution) said the following about it:

"The duties of men are summarily comprised in the The Commandments, consisting of two tables; one comprehending the duties which we owe immediately to God-the other, the duties we owe to our fellow men."

bull drink water wrote:
all religions are about controlling the actions and thoughts of the people.

Some might be but don't lump Christianity in with this. If you think that, you don't know the first thing about it.

I could list a dozen more instances showing where God's commandments are the backbone of states laws but you get the idea.

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Hi rpavich,

Unfortunalty, bull drink water has a valid point. Over the years,the word "Christian" ( Acts 11:26) has had a few letters added to change it into "Christianity" and is now used to describe 'religious organizations' that have belief and standards far removed from what is taught in the NT.

rpavich Loc: West Virginia

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Well, I'm not going to defend "fake-ianity" as I don't believe in any non-christian religions. I'll defend actual Christianity.

StanRP Loc: Ontario Canada

Unfortunately, there are those that while being described as "Christianity' could be better be described by your "fake-ianity" definition.
Those who do not know the difference use both definitions interchangeably.

rpavich Loc: West Virginia

True.

tdekany Loc: Oregon

You do realize that if you were born in India, you would be 100% sure that the one true God is Krishna. Or if you were born in a Muslim country, you would know for certain that your Allah was the one and only true God.

I also have a question for you. Am I wrong in thinking that not even the Vatican believes in the Bible? Otherwise why would it protect all those pedophile priests?

Thanks!

rpavich Loc: West Virginia

Two things;

1.) Not necessarily.
2.) That has nothing to do with whether the God of the bible IS the only true God. That's sloppy reasoning; you are committing the genetic fallacy. This is the assertion that one’s belief is falsified because of the way one came to inherit that specific belief.

If you turn this objection upside down you could ask: If a person were born in Syria, or Pakistan he would almost certainly NOT being an atheist but if he were born in the west he very well could be. Would it be sound reasoning to conclude that atheism is false because the atheist was born in America? No, that conclusion doesn’t follow.



Humans are sinful. We all sin. If you think that you and I are somehow better than those priests then I've got news for you...we aren't. Every human is born in sin and unless he/she is born again by God's grace he/she will get what they deserve, that is, eternal punishment. Everyone's tendency is to look at another's sins and see then as worse than one's own when the reality is; we are all more horrible than we admit. So the answer is; yes, they believe the bible and sin at the same time.



You are welcome.