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May 6, 2017 07:37:58   #
Alpix Loc: Cambridgeshire, UK
 
Very interesting!
Thanks for sharing.

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May 6, 2017 07:47:30   #
markngolf Loc: Bridgewater, NJ
 
B&H and Adorama offer free expedited shipping and a 30 day return policy. Isn't that a sufficient amount of time to test the lenses?
Mark
russelray wrote:
I rented all three lenses from a local camera store here for one week each. I went to the same places each week so I could get the same type of pictures: San Diego National Wildlife Refuge, San Diego Zoo, San Diego Zoo Safari Park, SeaWorld, Lake Murray, Santee Lakes, Sweetwater River, Ramona Grasslands, and La Jolla Cove. I'm not particularly interested in the sharpest pictures because whatever pictures I get are taken into various editing programs and messed up significantly until they no longer look like a picture to begin with. Photoshop, onOne, Nik, Redfield, Photo-Paint, Paintshop Pro, etc., etc., etc. I sell my Photographic Art to Realtors, escrow agents, title agents, and loan agents as close-of-escrow gifts. Thus, I'm more interested in getting the picture, something to play with, rather than getting the sharpest picture.

Initial research online indicated that I wanted the Sigma Sport 150-600mm. After real-time use, not so much.

Camera: Canon 760D

Prices:
Sigma Sport, $1,999
Tamron G2, $1,399
Sigma Contemporary, $1,089

Weight:
Sigma Sport, 101 oz
Tamron G2, 71 oz
Sigma Contemporary, 68 oz

All three had a rotatable tripod mount, and since I don't use monopods or tripods for still pictures, only videos, I rotated the mount 180° so that it became a carrying handle on top of the lens. Quite convenient.

Note that all three of these lenses were rentals, and we all know how people treat rented stuff, so some of my problems noted below might be due to previous mistreatment of the lens rather than an actual problem with the lens.

Throughout the range, I actually thought that the Tamron provided the sharpest pictures, followed by the Sigma C and then the Sigma S. Interesting.

The Sigma S had a propensity for taking significantly underexposed pictures. I can work with those in Photoshop, but why? Retaking the picture provided a normal exposure but the picture I wanted already was gone. For the price, surely the focusing algorithms should always provide me with a properly exposed picture that is easiest to work with in Photoshop.

On the Tamron, there are four controls on the barrel of the lens: Focus Range, Auto Focus/Manual Focus, Vibration Compensation On/Of, and three Vibration Compensation custom modes. Due to how I was holding my camera and supporting the lens, I had a propensity for turning Auto Focus to Manual Focus, so the next time I went to catch a quick shot of some scampering squirrels or flying birds, well, the shot wasn't there. Towards the end of my 7-day rental, I had successfully altered my holding style so that I was never switching Auto to Manual.

The Tamron wasn't working in AI Focus or AI Servo mode initially. I eventually did get it to work in those burst modes, kid of critical for BIF pictures, but inconsistently. I demonstrated the problem to the camera store when I returned the lens, and got a credit from them.

One of the reasons why it has taken me so long to get a lens of this size is because I'm don't like using neck straps, shoulder straps, monopods, or tripods. I just like to carry my camera around and take what they call "hand held" pictures. That usually means that I need a fast shutter speed to get good pictures. Fast shutter speeds mean I need lots of light. Lots of light means that I need big aperture openings. These comparatively inexpensive zoom lenses typically have maximum aperture openings in the 4.5 range. Both the Tamron and the Sigma are f/5 at 150 mm and f/6.3 at 600 mm. Would those maximum apertures let in enough light to let me take good hand-held pictures? My unequivocal answer is, "Yes!"

The Tamron 150-600 appears to let in more light than my walkaround Tamron 28-300 at equivalent focal lengths of 150, 200, 250, and 300, and it was truly rocking at 600mm. I had not a single problem with light. Granted, technology changes, and my Tamron 28-300 is about eight years old, so that might be a factor.

Another difference I have noticed between these two lenses is the quality of the bokeh. Tamron was giving me absolutely stunning pictures of tiny flowers with much better background blur than either of the two Sigma lenses.

I find it interesting that the direction the zoom ring rotates is not standardized. Canon and Tamron lenses rotate to the right. Nikon and Sigma lenses rotate to the left. I have a Canon camera and have been using a Tamron 28-300mm lens for eght years. I guess you know which direction I like the zoom ring to rotate although I was willing to be convinced otherwise. I ended up not being convinced because of the fact that I do hand-held pictures exclusively. If I'm at 150 and want to zoom to 600, with the Tamron, I'm already supporting the lens with my left hand so it's an easy and natural rotation. With the Sigma zoom, I would have to terminate my lens support and move my hand up to the top of the camera to rotate the zoom ring to the left. Trying to rotate the zoom ring while still supporting the lens with my left hand resulted in discomfort as I tried to rotate my wrist out of its natural range. I almost dropped the camera and Sigma lens a couple of times because my right hand (and mind) wasn't prepared to try to support that kind of weight by holding on to just the camera.

The picture below is of a wild rose at the San Diego National Wildlife Refuge. This rose is about a half inch in diameter and the background is a bunch of wild grasses, bare dirt, and pebbles.

Although I am familiar with Adorama, B&H, and Cameta, I chose to see what else was out there, excluding imports from Canada, Japan, Hong Kong, England, Germany, etc. A Google search for a Tamron 150-600mm G2 lens sent me to eBay. The price was good so I went to check on seller reputation. With a 99% rating over 447,963 sales, and reading through a hundred of the comments, I was satisfied with that. I went to check out and eBay asked me if I wanted to use PayPal or apply for PayPal credit. I have been using PayPal since 2004, so what the heck. Let's see what PayPal credit has to offer. Well, they offered me a $3,000 credit line. For the lens, I could choose to pay it off in 6 months with no interest or 24 months with no interest. Decisions, decisions, decisions. I chose 24 months with no interest to get the nice low payments, which will allow me to buy a new computer; this one is ten years old. Lens should be here in a week with free shipping from Edison New Jersey from Buydig. Now if only Adorama, B&H, and Cameta would do PayPal.

Cost was $1,399 and the bundle included "Console Lens Accessory, Memory Card Reader, Card Wallet, Mini Tripod, Cleaning Kit, [64GB] Memory Card, Microfiber Cleaning Cloth, Backpack, Tripod, Dust Removal Blower System, Lens Cap Keeper, Filter(s)." Since I don't use tripods, I messaged the seller to let them know they could keep the tripod, save postage, save resources, etc.

Just a few hours after I purchased the lens from eBay via PayPal, I got an email from Consumer Priority Service (CPS) offering me an extended warranty. I was offered an extended warranty when I check out, but it was $144. The CPS extended warranty totaled $37.49 and provides a 2-year extension after the manufacturer's warranty has ended, including accidental damage from day of purchase and no deductible. Such a drastic difference meant checking ratings and complaints for CPS. I was satisfied with what I found there so I purchased the extended warranty. My confirmation email offered me an addition 30 days if I would like CPS on Facebook. No problem.

Hope my actions, experiences, and choice can help someone else, but I would highly recommend renting something like this before you buy. I was lucky because I have a local camera store that rents all sorts of stuff. If you don't, try borrowlenses.com or lensrentals.com or lensprotogo.com.
I rented all three lenses from a local camera stor... (show quote)

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May 6, 2017 07:55:56   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
markngolf wrote:
B&H and Adorama offer free expedited shipping and a 30 day return policy. Isn't that a sufficient amount of time to test the lenses?
Mark


I almost wondered what would be tested to evaluate how they would meet his needs "...unsharp and...whatever pictures I get are taken into various editing programs and messed up significantly until they no longer look like a picture to begin with..."

Almost.

I applaud the work,strictly referring to lens comparison portion of post.

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May 6, 2017 08:15:42   #
Mundj Loc: Richmond TX
 
Thank you for sharing. I shared your post with my wife, she suggested considering the quality of my photos that I try to do something similar.😕

Keep them coming. 👍👍👍

russelray wrote:
Just the exact opposite, actually. Seems the worse the picture is, the better Photographic Art it creates, and the better the artsy part of the Photographic Art, the better the sales for that specific work.

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May 6, 2017 08:37:06   #
Jwshelton Loc: Denver,CO
 
Thank you for the thorough and informative review.

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May 6, 2017 08:43:47   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
russelray wrote:
I rented all three lenses from a local camera store here for one week each. I went to the same places each week so I could get the same type of pictures: San Diego National Wildlife Refuge, San Diego Zoo, San Diego Zoo Safari Park, SeaWorld, Lake Murray, Santee Lakes, Sweetwater River, Ramona Grasslands, and La Jolla Cove. I'm not particularly interested in the sharpest pictures because whatever pictures I get are taken into various editing programs and messed up significantly until they no longer look like a picture to begin with. Photoshop, onOne, Nik, Redfield, Photo-Paint, Paintshop Pro, etc., etc., etc. I sell my Photographic Art to Realtors, escrow agents, title agents, and loan agents as close-of-escrow gifts. Thus, I'm more interested in getting the picture, something to play with, rather than getting the sharpest picture.

Initial research online indicated that I wanted the Sigma Sport 150-600mm. After real-time use, not so much.

Camera: Canon 760D

Prices:
Sigma Sport, $1,999
Tamron G2, $1,399
Sigma Contemporary, $1,089

Weight:
Sigma Sport, 101 oz
Tamron G2, 71 oz
Sigma Contemporary, 68 oz

All three had a rotatable tripod mount, and since I don't use monopods or tripods for still pictures, only videos, I rotated the mount 180° so that it became a carrying handle on top of the lens. Quite convenient.

Note that all three of these lenses were rentals, and we all know how people treat rented stuff, so some of my problems noted below might be due to previous mistreatment of the lens rather than an actual problem with the lens.

Throughout the range, I actually thought that the Tamron provided the sharpest pictures, followed by the Sigma C and then the Sigma S. Interesting.

The Sigma S had a propensity for taking significantly underexposed pictures. I can work with those in Photoshop, but why? Retaking the picture provided a normal exposure but the picture I wanted already was gone. For the price, surely the focusing algorithms should always provide me with a properly exposed picture that is easiest to work with in Photoshop.

On the Tamron, there are four controls on the barrel of the lens: Focus Range, Auto Focus/Manual Focus, Vibration Compensation On/Of, and three Vibration Compensation custom modes. Due to how I was holding my camera and supporting the lens, I had a propensity for turning Auto Focus to Manual Focus, so the next time I went to catch a quick shot of some scampering squirrels or flying birds, well, the shot wasn't there. Towards the end of my 7-day rental, I had successfully altered my holding style so that I was never switching Auto to Manual.

The Tamron wasn't working in AI Focus or AI Servo mode initially. I eventually did get it to work in those burst modes, kid of critical for BIF pictures, but inconsistently. I demonstrated the problem to the camera store when I returned the lens, and got a credit from them.

One of the reasons why it has taken me so long to get a lens of this size is because I'm don't like using neck straps, shoulder straps, monopods, or tripods. I just like to carry my camera around and take what they call "hand held" pictures. That usually means that I need a fast shutter speed to get good pictures. Fast shutter speeds mean I need lots of light. Lots of light means that I need big aperture openings. These comparatively inexpensive zoom lenses typically have maximum aperture openings in the 4.5 range. Both the Tamron and the Sigma are f/5 at 150 mm and f/6.3 at 600 mm. Would those maximum apertures let in enough light to let me take good hand-held pictures? My unequivocal answer is, "Yes!"

The Tamron 150-600 appears to let in more light than my walkaround Tamron 28-300 at equivalent focal lengths of 150, 200, 250, and 300, and it was truly rocking at 600mm. I had not a single problem with light. Granted, technology changes, and my Tamron 28-300 is about eight years old, so that might be a factor.

Another difference I have noticed between these two lenses is the quality of the bokeh. Tamron was giving me absolutely stunning pictures of tiny flowers with much better background blur than either of the two Sigma lenses.

I find it interesting that the direction the zoom ring rotates is not standardized. Canon and Tamron lenses rotate to the right. Nikon and Sigma lenses rotate to the left. I have a Canon camera and have been using a Tamron 28-300mm lens for eght years. I guess you know which direction I like the zoom ring to rotate although I was willing to be convinced otherwise. I ended up not being convinced because of the fact that I do hand-held pictures exclusively. If I'm at 150 and want to zoom to 600, with the Tamron, I'm already supporting the lens with my left hand so it's an easy and natural rotation. With the Sigma zoom, I would have to terminate my lens support and move my hand up to the top of the camera to rotate the zoom ring to the left. Trying to rotate the zoom ring while still supporting the lens with my left hand resulted in discomfort as I tried to rotate my wrist out of its natural range. I almost dropped the camera and Sigma lens a couple of times because my right hand (and mind) wasn't prepared to try to support that kind of weight by holding on to just the camera.

The picture below is of a wild rose at the San Diego National Wildlife Refuge. This rose is about a half inch in diameter and the background is a bunch of wild grasses, bare dirt, and pebbles.

Although I am familiar with Adorama, B&H, and Cameta, I chose to see what else was out there, excluding imports from Canada, Japan, Hong Kong, England, Germany, etc. A Google search for a Tamron 150-600mm G2 lens sent me to eBay. The price was good so I went to check on seller reputation. With a 99% rating over 447,963 sales, and reading through a hundred of the comments, I was satisfied with that. I went to check out and eBay asked me if I wanted to use PayPal or apply for PayPal credit. I have been using PayPal since 2004, so what the heck. Let's see what PayPal credit has to offer. Well, they offered me a $3,000 credit line. For the lens, I could choose to pay it off in 6 months with no interest or 24 months with no interest. Decisions, decisions, decisions. I chose 24 months with no interest to get the nice low payments, which will allow me to buy a new computer; this one is ten years old. Lens should be here in a week with free shipping from Edison New Jersey from Buydig. Now if only Adorama, B&H, and Cameta would do PayPal.

Cost was $1,399 and the bundle included "Console Lens Accessory, Memory Card Reader, Card Wallet, Mini Tripod, Cleaning Kit, [64GB] Memory Card, Microfiber Cleaning Cloth, Backpack, Tripod, Dust Removal Blower System, Lens Cap Keeper, Filter(s)." Since I don't use tripods, I messaged the seller to let them know they could keep the tripod, save postage, save resources, etc.

Just a few hours after I purchased the lens from eBay via PayPal, I got an email from Consumer Priority Service (CPS) offering me an extended warranty. I was offered an extended warranty when I check out, but it was $144. The CPS extended warranty totaled $37.49 and provides a 2-year extension after the manufacturer's warranty has ended, including accidental damage from day of purchase and no deductible. Such a drastic difference meant checking ratings and complaints for CPS. I was satisfied with what I found there so I purchased the extended warranty. My confirmation email offered me an addition 30 days if I would like CPS on Facebook. No problem.

Hope my actions, experiences, and choice can help someone else, but I would highly recommend renting something like this before you buy. I was lucky because I have a local camera store that rents all sorts of stuff. If you don't, try borrowlenses.com or lensrentals.com or lensprotogo.com.
I rented all three lenses from a local camera stor... (show quote)

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May 6, 2017 08:45:44   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
russelray wrote:
I rented all three lenses from a local camera store here for one week each. I went to the same places each week so I could get the same type of pictures: San Diego National Wildlife Refuge, San Diego Zoo, San Diego Zoo Safari Park, SeaWorld, Lake Murray, Santee Lakes, Sweetwater River, Ramona Grasslands, and La Jolla Cove. I'm not particularly interested in the sharpest pictures because whatever pictures I get are taken into various editing programs and messed up significantly until they no longer look like a picture to begin with. Photoshop, onOne, Nik, Redfield, Photo-Paint, Paintshop Pro, etc., etc., etc. I sell my Photographic Art to Realtors, escrow agents, title agents, and loan agents as close-of-escrow gifts. Thus, I'm more interested in getting the picture, something to play with, rather than getting the sharpest picture.

Initial research online indicated that I wanted the Sigma Sport 150-600mm. After real-time use, not so much.

Camera: Canon 760D

Prices:
Sigma Sport, $1,999
Tamron G2, $1,399
Sigma Contemporary, $1,089

Weight:
Sigma Sport, 101 oz
Tamron G2, 71 oz
Sigma Contemporary, 68 oz

All three had a rotatable tripod mount, and since I don't use monopods or tripods for still pictures, only videos, I rotated the mount 180° so that it became a carrying handle on top of the lens. Quite convenient.

Note that all three of these lenses were rentals, and we all know how people treat rented stuff, so some of my problems noted below might be due to previous mistreatment of the lens rather than an actual problem with the lens.

Throughout the range, I actually thought that the Tamron provided the sharpest pictures, followed by the Sigma C and then the Sigma S. Interesting.

The Sigma S had a propensity for taking significantly underexposed pictures. I can work with those in Photoshop, but why? Retaking the picture provided a normal exposure but the picture I wanted already was gone. For the price, surely the focusing algorithms should always provide me with a properly exposed picture that is easiest to work with in Photoshop.

On the Tamron, there are four controls on the barrel of the lens: Focus Range, Auto Focus/Manual Focus, Vibration Compensation On/Of, and three Vibration Compensation custom modes. Due to how I was holding my camera and supporting the lens, I had a propensity for turning Auto Focus to Manual Focus, so the next time I went to catch a quick shot of some scampering squirrels or flying birds, well, the shot wasn't there. Towards the end of my 7-day rental, I had successfully altered my holding style so that I was never switching Auto to Manual.

The Tamron wasn't working in AI Focus or AI Servo mode initially. I eventually did get it to work in those burst modes, kid of critical for BIF pictures, but inconsistently. I demonstrated the problem to the camera store when I returned the lens, and got a credit from them.

One of the reasons why it has taken me so long to get a lens of this size is because I'm don't like using neck straps, shoulder straps, monopods, or tripods. I just like to carry my camera around and take what they call "hand held" pictures. That usually means that I need a fast shutter speed to get good pictures. Fast shutter speeds mean I need lots of light. Lots of light means that I need big aperture openings. These comparatively inexpensive zoom lenses typically have maximum aperture openings in the 4.5 range. Both the Tamron and the Sigma are f/5 at 150 mm and f/6.3 at 600 mm. Would those maximum apertures let in enough light to let me take good hand-held pictures? My unequivocal answer is, "Yes!"

The Tamron 150-600 appears to let in more light than my walkaround Tamron 28-300 at equivalent focal lengths of 150, 200, 250, and 300, and it was truly rocking at 600mm. I had not a single problem with light. Granted, technology changes, and my Tamron 28-300 is about eight years old, so that might be a factor.

Another difference I have noticed between these two lenses is the quality of the bokeh. Tamron was giving me absolutely stunning pictures of tiny flowers with much better background blur than either of the two Sigma lenses.

I find it interesting that the direction the zoom ring rotates is not standardized. Canon and Tamron lenses rotate to the right. Nikon and Sigma lenses rotate to the left. I have a Canon camera and have been using a Tamron 28-300mm lens for eght years. I guess you know which direction I like the zoom ring to rotate although I was willing to be convinced otherwise. I ended up not being convinced because of the fact that I do hand-held pictures exclusively. If I'm at 150 and want to zoom to 600, with the Tamron, I'm already supporting the lens with my left hand so it's an easy and natural rotation. With the Sigma zoom, I would have to terminate my lens support and move my hand up to the top of the camera to rotate the zoom ring to the left. Trying to rotate the zoom ring while still supporting the lens with my left hand resulted in discomfort as I tried to rotate my wrist out of its natural range. I almost dropped the camera and Sigma lens a couple of times because my right hand (and mind) wasn't prepared to try to support that kind of weight by holding on to just the camera.

The picture below is of a wild rose at the San Diego National Wildlife Refuge. This rose is about a half inch in diameter and the background is a bunch of wild grasses, bare dirt, and pebbles.

Although I am familiar with Adorama, B&H, and Cameta, I chose to see what else was out there, excluding imports from Canada, Japan, Hong Kong, England, Germany, etc. A Google search for a Tamron 150-600mm G2 lens sent me to eBay. The price was good so I went to check on seller reputation. With a 99% rating over 447,963 sales, and reading through a hundred of the comments, I was satisfied with that. I went to check out and eBay asked me if I wanted to use PayPal or apply for PayPal credit. I have been using PayPal since 2004, so what the heck. Let's see what PayPal credit has to offer. Well, they offered me a $3,000 credit line. For the lens, I could choose to pay it off in 6 months with no interest or 24 months with no interest. Decisions, decisions, decisions. I chose 24 months with no interest to get the nice low payments, which will allow me to buy a new computer; this one is ten years old. Lens should be here in a week with free shipping from Edison New Jersey from Buydig. Now if only Adorama, B&H, and Cameta would do PayPal.

Cost was $1,399 and the bundle included "Console Lens Accessory, Memory Card Reader, Card Wallet, Mini Tripod, Cleaning Kit, [64GB] Memory Card, Microfiber Cleaning Cloth, Backpack, Tripod, Dust Removal Blower System, Lens Cap Keeper, Filter(s)." Since I don't use tripods, I messaged the seller to let them know they could keep the tripod, save postage, save resources, etc.

Just a few hours after I purchased the lens from eBay via PayPal, I got an email from Consumer Priority Service (CPS) offering me an extended warranty. I was offered an extended warranty when I check out, but it was $144. The CPS extended warranty totaled $37.49 and provides a 2-year extension after the manufacturer's warranty has ended, including accidental damage from day of purchase and no deductible. Such a drastic difference meant checking ratings and complaints for CPS. I was satisfied with what I found there so I purchased the extended warranty. My confirmation email offered me an addition 30 days if I would like CPS on Facebook. No problem.

Hope my actions, experiences, and choice can help someone else, but I would highly recommend renting something like this before you buy. I was lucky because I have a local camera store that rents all sorts of stuff. If you don't, try borrowlenses.com or lensrentals.com or lensprotogo.com.
I rented all three lenses from a local camera stor... (show quote)


I choose the Nikon 200-500 f5.6 lens cause it's faster focusing and sharper than the Tamron or Sigma's.

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May 6, 2017 08:50:28   #
mikegreenwald Loc: Illinois
 
I've had the reverse experience, and greatly disagree with the conclusions of the OP.
The Sigma Sport is the sharpest of the three by a significant margin. The only downside I found with it is weight. I've given the other two lenses away.
One difference in my usage: all my comparison shots were taken from a quality tripod.
The Canon 100-400 IS II, often with a Canon 1.4 converter, is possibly a better choice yet. The 100mm range bottom is useful, and the 560 top is not meaningfully different from 600.
Both the Canon and the Sigma Sport are weather resistant; the others are not.

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May 6, 2017 09:05:17   #
abc1234 Loc: Elk Grove Village, Illinois
 
Russell, I think you tried cracking a walnut with a sledge hammer and missed. My basic observations are that ultimately you paid very little attention to optical quality and got distracted by a number of other, less important matters. With all the pictures you took with the three lenses, you did not compare them under carefully controlled conditions. For example, when I compare lenses, I shoot them side-by-side starting with a lens target, good lighting and a tripod. I then compare them side-by-side using the comparison view in Lightroom. Once I understand the lenses, then I do "real world" pictures to see how they perform as I would typically use them. In contrast, you shot the lenses separately, without a tripod and in many different places that probably had different lighting and possibly wind which might affect the steadiness of the lens. The few pictures you posted offer no insight whatsoever into the performance of these lenses.

Finally, picking a vendor simply because you can pay with PayPal does not strike me as a good reason. I am also curious about from whom you bought the lens. Between the price and all the extras, that vendor certainly reminds me of those who sell gray market and to cinch the deal, throws in a lot of meaningless junk. The best of which is a tripod. Come on, what reputable vendor would do that? Did you check with Tamron to see if this is even an authorized vendor selling US product?

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May 6, 2017 09:43:11   #
russelray Loc: La Mesa CA
 
markngolf wrote:
B&H and Adorama offer free expedited shipping and a 30 day return policy. Isn't that a sufficient amount of time to test the lenses?
Mark

It is, but that's never been my style. If I buy something, I intend on keeping it. The only time I want to return something is if its defective, not simply buyer remorse.

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May 6, 2017 09:47:21   #
russelray Loc: La Mesa CA
 
DaveO wrote:
I almost wondered what would be tested to evaluate how they would meet his needs "...unsharp and...whatever pictures I get are taken into various editing programs and messed up significantly until they no longer look like a picture to begin with..."

Almost.

I applaud the work,strictly referring to lens comparison portion of post.

My whole purpose here was to see if I could get the picture at all. If you read all of my post, you know that I missed some pictures because my holding and camera/lens support style for the Tamron resulted in me accidentally turning the lens switch from Auto Focus to Manual Focus. Manual Focus isn't going to let you get birds in flight or scampering squirrels. With the two Sigma lenses, I constantly was getting blackout or near-blackout pictures. Not good, either. The Tamron would not work consistently in either of the two burst modes so I missed a lot of BIF pictures there, too, but it obvious was a rental lens problem because the camera store gave me a credit when I demonstrated the problem to them.

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May 6, 2017 09:48:16   #
russelray Loc: La Mesa CA
 
billnikon wrote:
I choose the Nikon 200-500 f5.6 lens cause it's faster focusing and sharper than the Tamron or Sigma's.

I could not choose the Nikon 200-500 because I don't have a Nikon.

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May 6, 2017 09:50:11   #
russelray Loc: La Mesa CA
 
mikegreenwald wrote:
I've had the reverse experience, and greatly disagree with the conclusions of the OP.
The Sigma Sport is the sharpest of the three by a significant margin. The only downside I found with it is weight. I've given the other two lenses away.
One difference in my usage: all my comparison shots were taken from a quality tripod.
The Canon 100-400 IS II, often with a Canon 1.4 converter, is possibly a better choice yet. The 100mm range bottom is useful, and the 560 top is not meaningfully different from 600.
Both the Canon and the Sigma Sport are weather resistant; the others are not.
I've had the reverse experience, and greatly disag... (show quote)

Actually, the Tamron and Sigma Contemporary ARE weather resistant. The Sigma Sport is water proof, but I don't do underwater photography and I'm pretty averse to rain so if it's raining, I'm drinking a margarita inside at my computer and working in Photoshop, Paintshop Pro, Photo-Paint, etc.

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May 6, 2017 10:04:30   #
abc1234 Loc: Elk Grove Village, Illinois
 
russelray wrote:
My whole purpose here was to see if I could get the picture at all. If you read all of my post, you know that I missed some pictures because my holding and camera/lens support style for the Tamron resulted in me accidentally turning the lens switch from Auto Focus to Manual Focus. Manual Focus isn't going to let you get birds in flight or scampering squirrels. With the two Sigma lenses, I constantly was getting blackout or near-blackout pictures. Not good, either. The Tamron would not work consistently in either of the two burst modes so I missed a lot of BIF pictures there, too, but it obvious was a rental lens problem because the camera store gave me a credit when I demonstrated the problem to them.
My whole purpose here was to see if I could get th... (show quote)


Do not have that problem with the Sigma C and Canon 80D. I wonder if that problem is unique to your body.

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May 6, 2017 10:10:09   #
russelray Loc: La Mesa CA
 
abc1234 wrote:
Russell, I think you tried cracking a walnut with a sledge hammer and missed. My basic observations are that ultimately you paid very little attention to optical quality and got distracted by a number of other, less important matters. With all the pictures you took with the three lenses, you did not compare them under carefully controlled conditions. For example, when I compare lenses, I shoot them side-by-side starting with a lens target, good lighting and a tripod. I then compare them side-by-side using the comparison view in Lightroom. Once I understand the lenses, then I do "real world" pictures to see how they perform as I would typically use them. In contrast, you shot the lenses separately, without a tripod and in many different places that probably had different lighting and possibly wind which might affect the steadiness of the lens. The few pictures you posted offer no insight whatsoever into the performance of these lenses.

Finally, picking a vendor simply because you can pay with PayPal does not strike me as a good reason. I am also curious about from whom you bought the lens. Between the price and all the extras, that vendor certainly reminds me of those who sell gray market and to cinch the deal, throws in a lot of meaningless junk. The best of which is a tripod. Come on, what reputable vendor would do that? Did you check with Tamron to see if this is even an authorized vendor selling US product?
Russell, I think you tried cracking a walnut with ... (show quote)

I wasn't interested in optical quality. I was interested in taking pictures.

I wasn't interested in comparing them under carefully controlled conditions. Others have already done that, and that is what I read before renting that indicated I was probably going to like the Sigma Sport. Actual use proved otherwise.

I was not interested in "understanding the lenses." I was interested in "Will they take the kind of pictures that I've been taking for 55 years so that I can play around with them in Photoshop & others and created my Photographic Art. For me in this instance, and I realize I am an anomaly in the photographer's world, getting the pictures, any pictures, was much more important than getting the sharpest picture or the best quality picture. The fact that I am an anomaly, and know that, is why I even bothered posting this.

I did "real world" pictures to see how these lenses performed as I would typically use them. That is the whole purpose of this post.

Each lens went to the same places under the same conditions. For example, at La Jolla Cove, it's always cloudy and cool at 6:00 a.m. At the Safari Park, it's always sunny and hot at 6:00 a.m. Always windy at Ramona Grasslands. Etc. So I wanted to use these lenses at the same places at the same time. And in this case, they even got used on the SAME DAY of the week. That's all the quality control I needed for my purposes.

I didn't pick a vendor simply because I could pay with PayPal. You missed that. I had already chosen the vendor, added the product to my cart, and went to check out. I had intended on using the credit card that I have on file with eBay. But when I went to check out, eBay asked me if I wanted to pay with PayPal or apply for PayPal credit. Hmmm. My credit card charges me interest from the date of purchase, so even if I paid it off immediately after checking out, I'd still get charged the minimum $1 interest for that hour or so that the purchase was on my credit card. PayPal credit offered me two very interesting choices: 6 months no interest or 24 months no interest. Since I also just bought a Yuneec Typhone H drone for $1,899 and will be buying a $2,000 computer momentarily, that 24 months no interest option was nice.

If you were to read all of my original post, you would see which dealer I bought the lens from.

I wasn't interested in optical quality. I was interested in taking pictures.

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Between the price and all the extras, that vendor certainly reminds me of those who sell gray market and to cinch the deal, throws in a lot of meaningless junk. The best of which is a tripod. Come on, what reputable vendor would do that? Did you check with Tamron to see if this is even an authorized vendor selling US product?

Well, obviously this "reputable vendor" does. I consider someone with 447,000+ sales with a 99% satisfaction rating to be reputable. I realize that not every does, which is why I posted this, and included the name of the vendor and included the bundled stuff. For my purposes, the tripod is the only thing I was not interested in. I already have a $300 tripod but I use it only when taking videos of moving trains. I really did want the lens dock to update firmware.

I did not contact Tamron. I only wanted a United States dealer for the simple ease of transaction. I am quite happy with the 1-year warranty and the 25 months extended warranty that cost $37.49. This is the first extended warranty I have ever purchased in my entire life. My wise old grandmother taught me to buy the best and take care of it. That's what I do, so I have never had an issue with a company's warranty on any product in my entire life. I realize, again, that I'm probably an anomaly there, too.

Also, when it comes to electronics, which make significant use of technology on a regular basis, if I have a problem with this lens 38 months down the road after all the warranties have expired, I'm not going to complain because I take an average of 521 pictures each and every day, so I will have gotten my use out of it. With 38 months of technology under the bridge, I'd probably want something newer anyways.

Hope that covered everything for you.

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