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Apr 7, 2017 20:34:45   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
CatMarley wrote:
Worrying about the ISO is silly. You are going to have to use the shutter speed or the aperture appropriate to your lighting conditions. for sports you are going to have to stop the action at an aperture that gives you what you want to be in focus, in focus. For portraits or macro you want the aperture that gives you the depth of field you need. THESE MUST be appropriate in order to get a well exposed and focused image. So let the camera worry about the ISO. It will be what it must be to expose the subject properly depending on the light and the other two parameters. Or use flash.
Worrying about the ISO is silly. You are going to... (show quote)


Exactly. You pick the shutter speed to freeze the action (a blurred shot can be useless) and the aperture to achieve the DOF required, and the the ISO (and noise and DR) falls out wherever for proper exposure. (A noisey shot is preferable to a blurred or out-of-focus shot). I shoot at ISO 6400-10000 with a FF Canon (which is hardly ISO invariant or a high DR body) and the results are acceptable (to me). I would certainly prefer to shoot at base ISO, but the situation dictates the required ISO, which is secondary to the proper shutter speed and aperture.

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Apr 7, 2017 20:42:50   #
RWR Loc: La Mesa, CA
 
mrpentaxk5ii wrote:
You can say what you want but if you spend that much money and only shoot up to an ISO of 200 because of noise in your file that you can process outi t's Silly and a waste of money. Hell you can save a ton of money and take photos with a cell phone.

When I use my DSLR as a Polaroid when setting up lighting for a shot with slow speed film, I’d be silly indeed to shoot at ISO 200. My Nikon Df only goes down to ISO 50, I could use ISO 6 for Adox CMS 20 II. Silly is saying something is silly when you have no clue what that something is!!

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Apr 7, 2017 20:43:43   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
Apaflo wrote:
You have many times articulated a surface familiarity without real understanding. On the other hand Bill Claff has demonstrated an extremely high level of technical competence. His articles are precisely correct.

There you go with your ad hominem again.

My threads demonstrating the relationship between noise, dynamic range and ISO are very easy to understand if you take the time to read them. If you can find any fault with them, please feel free to provide your own evidence to the contrary. I doubt that you can since neither of the advocates of ETTR/EBTR have been able to do so.

I guess I will just have to add "the relationship between ISO, exposure values and visible noise" to the list of topics you need to learn about.

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Apr 7, 2017 20:56:19   #
BIG ROB Loc: Princeton, NJ 08540
 
gessman wrote:
Bless you, I don't mean to sound abrupt or unkind but this question cannot be answered here - there is neither time nor ability to reach a comprehensive, conclusive answer from 72,000+ people who are not of one mind even if there is only one answer. Why, we even have some people here who are willing to tell you everything they know even though many of them lack the capacity to know anything.

What you're asking is, "is it better to have a bad picture of a good subject, a good picture of a bad subject, or some compromise in between." That's your decision and you have to make it, preferably based on a lot of experience and study which allows you to properly assess a scenario in advance in terms of your capabilities which includes just you, mother nature, and your equipment. What you're going to get here is a repeat of the parable of "The Blind Men and The Elephant" (Google/Wikipedia) but you won't know that because you do not have the vision, capacity, or need to put the pieces you currently have together or you wouldn't be asking the question.



You have to know enough to decide if you want to be a practical person who comes away with the best shot under the circumstances and a willingness to accept it knowing that you've done the best job possible for you, given your knowledge, skill, and your equipment levels, or if you're going to insist on doing it a certain way that causes you to miss a lot of shots that you could otherwise get with a little willingness to compromise being an anal "procedurecrat." It IS your choice. Have the confidence to make it, experiment, and learn from your mistakes which, incidentally, you shouldn't openly display like so many of us do. Obviously, it'd be fantastic if we always got excellent high quality shots of very exciting subject matter, but that's not likely to happen all that much, unarranged, especially if we shoot everything that comes down the pike, still or moving.

My personal philosophy is to get the best shot possible given the circumstances even if it pushes my iso up to as much as 6400 and worry about fixing it later, again, to the extent I can. I'm pretty happy with most of my shots but then, I don't do this to put shoes on the kids, or buy bread, or even beer. Please feel free to check my shots out here by referring to my profile and looking at my last few threads posted if you care to see what about my shots makes me happy. http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/user-topic-list?usernum=1324.
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Apr 7, 2017 21:04:53   #
BIG ROB Loc: Princeton, NJ 08540
 
burkphoto wrote:
They're techie purists who care more about absolute image fidelity than their image *contents*. Use an ISO appropriate for the image you want to make. Don't fret moderate ISO settings.



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Apr 7, 2017 21:12:15   #
Shoeless_Photographer Loc: Lexington
 
dgolfnut wrote:
I have read many posts and watched instructional videos and almost every pro says using ISO settings below 200 is where they prefer to shoot -- even in dark conditions. I understand that very high ISO settings tend to introduce noise, but going up to 1200 or 2400 with a camera that goes up to 12000 seems like it should not be a problem. Why do so many limit their ISO below 200?



Things get grainy quickly on my Canon T3 even as low as 800. I try to keep it down to 100 as much as possible for the least amount of noise.

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Apr 7, 2017 23:25:34   #
rjaywallace Loc: Wisconsin
 
mrpentaxk5ii wrote:
We are not robots, people think differently and to judge people that you have never met is a poor trait. Noise, most people don't want it in a photo but with the cameras that we have today to shoot at ISO 200 or less is silly. Look at the photos posted on U.H.H people shoot from 100 to 1600 ISO depending on light and subject every day, but if you want to stay at 200 or less that is your choice you will miss out on a lot of photo ops. The photo of my friend in his kayak was taken at F-10, ISO 400 120mm with a Pentax Kr. The eagle was taken also with a Pentax Kr at 1/4000 sec ISO 1600 at 400 mm, both photos were taken with a sigma 120 - 400 mm 4.5-5.6. photo was slightly cropped. The camera is an APS-C 12 MP, this is not high end equipment, I have replaced this camera with a Pentax K5ii as my main camera, if I can photograph an eagle from a kayak with this camera at ISO 1600 you should be able to do the same with a Nikon 810.
We are not robots, people think differently and t... (show quote)

What was shutter speed on photo of your friend with kayak? /Ralph

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Apr 8, 2017 00:57:01   #
DAMcCoy
 
The lines of resolution are greater at lower ISO. More resolution the more detail and sharper image you will get.

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Apr 8, 2017 01:58:02   #
oldtigger Loc: Roanoke Virginia-USA
 
DAMcCoy wrote:
The lines of resolution are greater at lower ISO. More resolution the more detail and sharper image you will get.

Never heard anyone say it in quite those words but It does seem that way at times.

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Apr 8, 2017 08:15:19   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
TriX wrote:
Exactly. You pick the shutter speed to freeze the action (a blurred shot can be useless) and the aperture to achieve the DOF required, and the the ISO (and noise and DR) falls out wherever for proper exposure. (A noisey shot is preferable to a blurred or out-of-focus shot). I shoot at ISO 6400-10000 with a FF Canon (which is hardly ISO invariant or a high DR body) and the results are acceptable (to me). I would certainly prefer to shoot at base ISO, but the situation dictates the required ISO, which is secondary to the proper shutter speed and aperture.
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Apr 8, 2017 09:38:13   #
mrpentaxk5ii
 
Hi Ralph, this is the info you requested on the Kayak photo. shutter speed 1/500, F10, exposure Bias -07, mettering mode center weighted average. 120 mm on a Sigma 120-400 mm lens

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Apr 8, 2017 09:48:22   #
mrpentaxk5ii
 
I was not trying to stir up a hornets nest in my reply to the question asked, most of us understand that it is best to use the lowest Iso, as in film days 100 speed film gave the best results and 1600 not so good, the point that I was trying to make is this, DSLR's cost alot of money to not use them to the full extent that you can is a waste, shoot at low Iso when you can but if not go higher. Wedding photographers would never be able to photograph an entire wedding at ISO 200 or less. Pro sports photographers would not do their job if they could only shoot at ISO 200 or less, you do what you need to do to get the shot.

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Apr 8, 2017 12:03:39   #
Shoeless_Photographer Loc: Lexington
 
WessoJPEG wrote:
Don't worry about it crank up those ISOs.
Heres a photo in my dark basement ISO 16000 Nikon D7200.


Your example is precisely why I don't "crank up those ISOs". As a thumbnail online, it looks fine, but when I click the download link to look at it closer, there are so many white and black speckles all over the print that it looks like someone sprinkled salt and pepper over the image. If my images looked like that, I think I'd get a tripod and set my SS slow enough to capture it without losing all the detail in the sensor noise.

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Apr 8, 2017 12:11:11   #
Shoeless_Photographer Loc: Lexington
 
Reinaldokool wrote:
In principle the low ISO does produce less noise. Every amplification amplifies noise as well as signal.

However, the latest up to date sensors are amazingly noise-free. At a practical level, I can get essentially noise free performance from my Sony a6300 up to ISO 3200. It is noiseless enough to satisfy even some nit-pickers. It will get to 6400 and even 12,800 without serious issues--except in swatches of clear, night sky.

So hypothetically, shooting low ISO is better, and that was true with older sensors. Not so much with newer ones.
In principle the low ISO does produce less noise. ... (show quote)


I'll drink to that. I've seen some decent stuff from fairly new cameras at fairly high ISOs that are acceptable. Still not as crisp as lower a lower ISO would've done, but much better than a camera several years older could've done. My "old" T3 can't cut it as well as a newer version.

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Apr 9, 2017 06:45:51   #
bull drink water Loc: pontiac mi.
 
they are not always best. try them on hi-speed action shots or most bif shots, you'll find low iso settings lacking.

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