PalePictures Loc: Traveling

I had never heard of the Talmud.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEMd6NDT5Z8

green Loc: 22.1749611,-159.646704,20

Is it wrong for a fish to steal your bait?... if it's going after your worm, it would seem there's an obligation to get caught. And what if you're using a lure, and there is no worm?

I tend to disagree with Mr. Praeger on a number of issues. His points are well thought out, but based on some shakey assumptions.

According to Mr. P, if you and your friends went to the mall to "hangout" without the intention to purchase something, your would all be guilty of theft. I would suggest that a business creates an positive environment where commerce can occur. The obligation's of the customer are set by the business itself.

I have had salesperson's tell me where I can buy the same (or better product) at a competitor's... and yet I have come back to the same store to make other purchases because my previous experience was of a helpful salesperson.

chrisscholbe Loc: Kansas City, MO

I agree with everything in the video.

We are loosing sight of what's right vs what's convenient.

What's right isn't always convenient for us.

We should always do what's right.

I was "aware" of the Talmud, but not familiar with all of it's contents.

PalePictures Loc: Traveling

Your assumption that his assumption was shaky is shaky.
In his example he used a salesman time. In the Mall example you use the Mall space.
He did mention using the resources of the store which would include it's space.
Typically people will go to a mall and hang out and eat.
Kids go to the mall and hang, which probably isn't a good idea anyway, not that there needs to be a law against it.
Prager never said anyone was guilty of Theft according to the law.
Obviously you cannot legislate morality although liberals and conservatives both try to do this.
His second example is of women going to a clothing store to use a dress for an event and after the event returns the dress.
I know woman who have done this.
It is immoral and unethical to do so.

I happen to think it is completely moral to call a store and ask for a price.
The owner in that case would know I am price shopping.
I guess you could say I am looking at the principle of what he says and not trying to find the flaws and exceptions.

I had a friend who owned a Technology store that went out of business because he was priced out of business based on the internet.
People would come into his store collect information about a product and not buy anything.
I actually think he should have gone out of business... based on free market principles.
That being said, I cannot defend the morality of people who pump a salesman for information fully intending not to buy a product when they walk in the door.

I also defend Mall owner rights to ban loitering.
I also would never let my children loiter.
Prager is addressing individual morality in this video.
He is addressing what is right and wrong, not the law.

When I go to wall mart and shop I always return my cart to the cart holder. I usually take a cart from the parking lot when I go in.
That is my morality. It helps Walmart keep their cost down by not having the cart guy do as much work....Adds value to Walmart so that a Cart collector could maybe stock and block some more items.

It sound like you have a complete ethical relationship with your salesman.
Congratulation.

PalePictures Loc: Traveling

The point of the video is about individual morality and ethics.
It is addressed to an individual's obligation to be t***hful to ourselves and to others.

jim quist Loc: Missouri

So if you open the Talmud which is a discussion of the Jewish Law. You will see the Mishnah printed in the center of the page and the Gemerah printed around it. The Mishnah are the legal codes, and the Gemara is a commentary on them. There is also the Tosephta, which is a supplement to the Mishnah.

There are two Talmuds, the Babylonian and a Palestinian.

PalePictures Loc: Traveling

Cool,
I never knew that either.
I always like to learn.
I tend to know a little more about English Common law and Constitutional law.
I need to hit google or WIKI and learn a little more.

GeorgeH Loc: Jonesboro, GA

At a high-end kitchen shop after making a few se******ns I was admiring some expensive knives. A salesman of my age approached, I commented on the prices and he advised that I look into a brand not stocked. "Its just as good and much cheaper!" he stated. I followed his advice and was well pleased. I still shop at that expensive kitchen shop, however. His friendly advice made a repeat customer; I hardly wasted his time.

If salespeople were paid on salary wouldn't they be more willing to spend more time with a customer? Might be mutually beneficial....

green Loc: 22.1749611,-159.646704,20

If I could make words better, this is exactly what I would have said.

mwalsh Loc: Houston

Try a word processor...they make pretty better words.

green Loc: 22.1749611,-159.646704,20

it works well enough on crush, but anything past blend and you get the tossed word salads of checkers, maude and their ilk.

mwalsh Loc: Houston

touche !!


Some times you seem like the only one who gets my sardonic wit...

GeorgeH Loc: Jonesboro, GA

Excellent! Having heard a few poor folk afflicted with that psychiatric condition, our local trolls have a way to go yet, although the nattering repetition of a few choice phrases indicates some "progress"....

mwalsh Loc: Houston

That would be the "pulse" button.

GeorgeH Loc: Jonesboro, GA

Right you are! I suspect their brains have been on "liquefy" for some time....