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Feb 22, 2017 06:16:38   #
dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida
 
Wow, thanks Burk, The crop mask template is a great idea. Crud as it may sound, I made a billfold size translucent card with common aspect ratio holes. The purpose being to hold the card up and move around to compose the scene... moving in and out changed the selection. Then I used the camera. I rarely use it... too much trouble... but if as I do always printing 8x10... your viewfinder mask suggestion/link is a great solution.

If printed away from home... say one of the better labs such a Walgreen's on 50% special for 4x6" prints, I solved that dilemma by batch changing canvas size adding an inch to the 4x5" format. Allows a writing space for comments. It is easy to carry around a small book of photos 4x6" to effectively bore friends; 8x10s are too bulky and 3x the weight of the smaller prints. Faststone.org Resize does this 8x10/4x6 adjustment , well.

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Feb 22, 2017 09:50:37   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
dpullum wrote:
Wow, thanks Burk, The crop mask template is a great idea. Crud as it may sound, I made a billfold size translucent card with common aspect ratio holes. The purpose being to hold the card up and move around to compose the scene... moving in and out changed the selection. Then I used the camera. I rarely use it... too much trouble... but if as I do always printing 8x10... your viewfinder mask suggestion/link is a great solution.

If printed away from home... say one of the better labs such a Walgreen's on 50% special for 4x6" prints, I solved that dilemma by batch changing canvas size adding an inch to the 4x5" format. Allows a writing space for comments. It is easy to carry around a small book of photos 4x6" to effectively bore friends; 8x10s are too bulky and 3x the weight of the smaller prints. Faststone.org Resize does this 8x10/4x6 adjustment , well.
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Yeah, we had those viewfinder masks in all our cameras, starting way back in the 1960s, before I was ever in the portrait business. Most often, they were film masks, "line positives" made on Kodalith graphic arts film. We had them for long roll film cameras using 70mm, 46mm, and 35mm unperforated films. We had them for 120/220 cameras in 6x4.5, 6x6, 6x7, 6x9, and 6x17 cm sizes. We had them for select models of 35mm SLRs with removable focusing screens.

The masks I made were for Canon EOS 10D, 20D, 30D, 40D, 50D, 5D, and 7D cameras. Most of them were made on line film, printed from a PDF file on a Compugraphic Imagesetter at 2400 dpi. Right before Lifetouch bought us, I had ordered a small batch of laser-engraved finder screens from viewfindermasks.com. They were the best masks we ever had, because they didn't dim the finder at all.

We had composition lines for head and shoulders portraits, full length portraits, and panoramic group portraits, with 8x10, 5x7, and 8x20 crops shown.

There are many ways to fit images onto specific paper sizes. Canvas extension is one; using a database like FileMaker Pro is another. It can automatically size an image up or down and fit all of it onto a certain size paper, with no cropping. I'm sure there are dozens of apps that can do something similar.

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Feb 22, 2017 10:25:29   #
Spirit Vision Photography Loc: Behind a Camera.
 
I am new to Smumug. So I have not gotten around to check out how people will crop an 8x12 (full frame) down to an 8x10. I will look into it. But I always shoot and envision my final prints as full frame (4x6, 8x12, 12x24, etc.

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Feb 22, 2017 11:09:22   #
fetzler Loc: North West PA
 
Personally, I like photos to have whatever aspect ratio that is photo appropriate. I want the entire edited photo. Some printers will print the entire image. Indeed there will be some blank space but so what. A alternative is to place the photo on top of a constant color layer with the right aspect ratio. ( white, black, gray or other color)

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Feb 22, 2017 11:49:28   #
bearwitme Loc: VA, USA
 
Kiron Kid wrote:
I am new to Smumug. So I have not gotten around to check out how people will crop an 8x12 (full frame) down to an 8x10. I will look into it. But I always shoot and envision my final prints as full frame (4x6, 8x12, 12x24, etc.

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Thanks..Gonna try different options...

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Feb 22, 2017 11:49:51   #
bearwitme Loc: VA, USA
 
Kiron Kid wrote:
I am new to Smumug. So I have not gotten around to check out how people will crop an 8x12 (full frame) down to an 8x10. I will look into it. But I always shoot and envision my final prints as full frame (4x6, 8x12, 12x24, etc.


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Thanks

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Feb 22, 2017 13:18:05   #
dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida
 
burkphoto wrote:
GREAT point. I usually figure 1/4" bleed for standard frames, and at least two inches on each side for canvas wraps.


The following YouTube show how to make mirror image of edges for wrapping:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIIDBRBg_es

Google mirror image for wraps prints... and get more references.

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Feb 22, 2017 14:11:55   #
bearwitme Loc: VA, USA
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
A couple of thoughts:

1) Use virtual copies in your workflow. I mean develop the image in the original dimension / aspect ratio. As a final step, crop the image for posting and display. I'll assume 2x3 for purposes of this discussion. Maybe the composition is better cropped tighter. As long as the edits are all done in LR, the cropping is virtual and can be done at any point. But, if you pass the image to a plug-in, you should crop the results after working in the plug-in, not before.

2) Should a need come for another aspect, such as 4x5, make a LR virtual copy of the posted image and then edit the copy. All of your edits are available in the virtual copy including changing the cropping. You now have two (or as many as needed) copies of the image in the LR catalog, all developed from the single original image.
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Thanks for the information. Will have to learn to do this. Learning other features in LR as I go..

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Feb 23, 2017 20:02:16   #
aellman Loc: Boston MA
 
bearwitme wrote:
Good Morning..

I am in the process of placing some pictures out on SmugMug for some friends/family to purchase if they want. How do I crop so that various sizes can be purchased??? Right now I will have to go back into LR history and uncrop so that they will be able to fit in like 4x6, 5x7, 8x10 etc. I try to fill the frame when I shoot but looks like I will have to pull back a bit so that cropping can be done when pictures are purchased...Hope this make sense..TIA (I also posted in Post Processing section. Not sure which was best.)
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Be sure to leave room around the edges of the image for a frame. Learned that the hard way.

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Feb 23, 2017 20:15:25   #
bearwitme Loc: VA, USA
 
aellman wrote:
Be sure to leave room around the edges of the image for a frame. Learned that the hard way.


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Thanks for the reminder...

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Feb 23, 2017 20:33:48   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
bearwitme wrote:
Good Morning..

I am in the process of placing some pictures out on SmugMug for some friends/family to purchase if they want. How do I crop so that various sizes can be purchased??? Right now I will have to go back into LR history and uncrop so that they will be able to fit in like 4x6, 5x7, 8x10 etc. I try to fill the frame when I shoot but looks like I will have to pull back a bit so that cropping can be done when pictures are purchased...Hope this make sense..TIA (I also posted in Post Processing section. Not sure which was best.)
Good Morning.. br br I am in the process of placi... (show quote)


In LR's crop tool in the Develop module you can create custom crops if they don't already exist for specific aspect ratios - 2x3, 4x5, 5x7, 11x14. These will cover all multiples - like 2x3 covers 4x6, 6x9, 8x12, 16x24, etc. 4x5 covers 8x10, 16x20 etc. and so on. The creative cropping should take place in the develop module. You can create virtual copies for these if you wish. When you export your files you can make specific output sizes, but it may be easier to just output full size images at the right aspect ratio and not worry about resizing to actual pixel resolutions.

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Feb 23, 2017 20:44:09   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Gene51 wrote:
In LR's crop tool in the Develop module you can create custom crops if they don't already exist for specific aspect ratios - 2x3, 4x5, 5x7, 11x14. These will cover all multiples - like 2x3 covers 4x6, 6x9, 8x12, 16x24, etc. 4x5 covers 8x10, 16x20 etc. and so on. The creative cropping should take place in the develop module. You can create virtual copies for these if you wish. When you export your files you can make specific output sizes, but it may be easier to just output full size images at the right aspect ratio and not worry about resizing to actual pixel resolutions.
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Generally works well. I have coordinated my custom crops and custom print templates, so I know what I'm going to get on paper --- while I'm still in the Develop module. My print layouts are all 1:1, 2:3, 3:4, 4:5, 5:7, 11:14, and 16:9 aspect ratios, with custom aspect ratios for cropping. I use the 'X' key shortcut to flip the ratios when cropping, if needed.

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