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Feb 4, 2017 20:20:21   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
DaveO wrote:
Yes, I would skip the camera plate and mount by using my l-plates. I'm shaky enough to use it with a 24-70 after the collared lenses. I have a Wimberley WH-200 II that I enjoy and it may be worthwhile. I'm going to check around and see what else is out there. I could also make a federal case out of it and get the Wimberley Sidekick Ball to Gimbal Head Adapter for my BH-55. LOL! The Jobu will most likely suit me well and be more cost effective.


I have the original Wimberley. At the time I don't think it had a number. It is mounted on a discontinued Gitzo 1548 Carbon Fiber job. Now I keep a second, lighter tripod with a ball head in the Jeep. It would be nice to eliminate that.

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Feb 4, 2017 20:57:05   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
[quote=Bill_de]I have the original Wimberley. At the time I don't think it had a number. It is mounted on a discontinued Gitzo 1548 Carbon Fiber job. Now I keep a second, lighter tripod with a ball head in the Jeep. It would be nice to eliminate that.

My use will be for switching from long to uncollared lenses on short hikes. This tool will lighten the load a little. I have a second light Manfrotto 190cx with a couple different a-s ball heads.

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Feb 4, 2017 21:03:34   #
Howard5252 Loc: New York / Florida (now)
 
wesm wrote:
I'm trying to figure out if there is a gimbal head that will also allow me to use my camera with a non-collared lens. I don't have a camera store nearby anymore (the excellent Keeble & Schuchat in Palo Alto closed). Why would I want to do such a thing? Basically, so I only have to carry one tripod with one head in the field. Typically, I'd want to switch back and forth between a 150-600mm lens, and a wide-angle lens like 16-35mm. I'd like to be able to mount the camera on the tripod in normal landscape position for the latter. I think I've seen gimbal heads that allow side mounts, but I'm a little nervous that the plate would attach vertically, and fail, with the camera falling out. I have L brackets with Arca-style grooves on my camera bodies. I hope this post is specific enough and intelligent enough not to draw the ire of the resident grumps!
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If I'm reading correctly, the weight of the lens will be pulling at the point where it attaches to the body. Over time, this cannot be good for that connection.

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Feb 4, 2017 23:21:26   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
wesm wrote:
I'm trying to figure out if there is a gimbal head that will also allow me to use my camera with a non-collared lens. I don't have a camera store nearby anymore (the excellent Keeble & Schuchat in Palo Alto closed). Why would I want to do such a thing? Basically, so I only have to carry one tripod with one head in the field. Typically, I'd want to switch back and forth between a 150-600mm lens, and a wide-angle lens like 16-35mm. I'd like to be able to mount the camera on the tripod in normal landscape position for the latter. I think I've seen gimbal heads that allow side mounts, but I'm a little nervous that the plate would attach vertically, and fail, with the camera falling out. I have L brackets with Arca-style grooves on my camera bodies. I hope this post is specific enough and intelligent enough not to draw the ire of the resident grumps!
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Got me curious, so I got out my gimbal (Nest NT-530 I got from MT Shooter's Camera Cottage) and tried mounting my 6D with 24-105 and battery grip. It fits with the camera in portrait mode mounted to the camera body.
#1 The QR that comes with the head is long for adjustment so first I put the camera as far forward as I could*, fairly sturdy and lots of clearance.
#2 Ran the camera back so it was centered on the gimbal arm, it fits (tried my 7DII also, tight but it fit, would have more room if I took the battery grip off)

Contact MT and tell him your camera model and he can check clearance before you buy.

*It has a spring loaded limiter so it won't run out of the clamp and come off.


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Feb 5, 2017 01:41:52   #
wesm Loc: Los Altos CA
 
robertjerl wrote:
Got me curious, so I got out my gimbal (Nest NT-530 I got from MT Shooter's Camera Cottage) and tried mounting my 6D with 24-105 and battery grip. It fits with the camera in portrait mode mounted to the camera body.
#1 The QR that comes with the head is long for adjustment so first I put the camera as far forward as I could*, fairly sturdy and lots of clearance.
#2 Ran the camera back so it was centered on the gimbal arm, it fits (tried my 7DII also, tight but it fit, would have more room if I took the battery grip off)

Contact MT and tell him your camera model and he can check clearance before you buy.

*It has a spring loaded limiter so it won't run out of the clamp and come off.
Got me curious, so I got out my gimbal (Nest NT-53... (show quote)


Good point, I hadn't even thought about the clearance between camera and gimbal upright. I use a 5D3 and a 6D, both have L brackets.

I'm thinking I'll try the Nest and a Nodal slide, as a couple people have mentioned. That seems to offer a lot of flexibility. The slide is independently useful on a ball head for close-up work.
Thanks to all that responded, lots of food for thought.

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Feb 5, 2017 03:42:51   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
wesm wrote:
I'm trying to figure out if there is a gimbal head that will also allow me to use my camera with a non-collared lens. I don't have a camera store nearby anymore (the excellent Keeble & Schuchat in Palo Alto closed). Why would I want to do such a thing? Basically, so I only have to carry one tripod with one head in the field. Typically, I'd want to switch back and forth between a 150-600mm lens, and a wide-angle lens like 16-35mm. I'd like to be able to mount the camera on the tripod in normal landscape position for the latter. I think I've seen gimbal heads that allow side mounts, but I'm a little nervous that the plate would attach vertically, and fail, with the camera falling out. I have L brackets with Arca-style grooves on my camera bodies. I hope this post is specific enough and intelligent enough not to draw the ire of the resident grumps!
I'm trying to figure out if there is a gimbal head... (show quote)

You already answered your own question, by saying you do have an L-plate on your camera, the only thing left is, would you want a full sized gimbal or a sidekick (which are available from about all makers of tripod heads)!

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Feb 5, 2017 07:04:14   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
Here is another product from Wimberley for use on their gimbals: http://www.tripodhead.com/products/p5-m8.cfm

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Feb 14, 2017 18:46:10   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
DaveO wrote:
Yes, I would skip the camera plate and mount by using my l-plates. I'm shaky enough to use it with a 24-70 after the collared lenses. I have a Wimberley WH-200 II that I enjoy and it may be worthwhile. I'm going to check around and see what else is out there. I could also make a federal case out of it and get the Wimberley Sidekick Ball to Gimbal Head Adapter for my BH-55. LOL! The Jobu will most likely suit me well and be more cost effective.


Dave,

The Jobu came about an hour ago. I haven't shot with it yet, but first impression is that it is a keeper. It Arca Swiss style plate on the bottom is square so it can be mounted in either direction. In the picture I raised the arm on the Wimberley before mounting the camera for clearance. As it turned out it wasn't necessary. Even with the D4s, a fairly large DSLR there is plenty of room. I'm using an L bracket, but as mounted the camera can tilt ninety degrees to the right if just using a camera plate. There is a camera plate included. The lens is the Nikkor 24-70 F2.8 which seems quite comfortable there.

BTW- although the sheet isn't dated it says "The 100% completely redesigned ... " Hmm isn't '100% completely' totally redundant?


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Feb 15, 2017 07:15:19   #
mborn Loc: Massachusetts
 
Bill_de wrote:
Dave,

The Jobu came about an hour ago. I haven't shot with it yet, but first impression is that it is a keeper. It Arca Swiss style plate on the bottom is square so it can be mounted in either direction. In the picture I raised the arm on the Wimberley before mounting the camera for clearance. As it turned out it wasn't necessary. Even with the D4s, a fairly large DSLR there is plenty of room. I'm using an L bracket, but as mounted the camera can tilt ninety degrees to the right if just using a camera plate. There is a camera plate included. The lens is the Nikkor 24-70 F2.8 which seems quite comfortable there.

BTW- although the sheet isn't dated it says "The 100% completely redesigned ... " Hmm isn't '100% completely' totally redundant?


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Feb 15, 2017 07:44:41   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
Bill_de wrote:
Dave,

The Jobu came about an hour ago. I haven't shot with it yet, but first impression is that it is a keeper. It Arca Swiss style plate on the bottom is square so it can be mounted in either direction. In the picture I raised the arm on the Wimberley before mounting the camera for clearance. As it turned out it wasn't necessary. Even with the D4s, a fairly large DSLR there is plenty of room. I'm using an L bracket, but as mounted the camera can tilt ninety degrees to the right if just using a camera plate. There is a camera plate included. The lens is the Nikkor 24-70 F2.8 which seems quite comfortable there.

BTW- although the sheet isn't dated it says "The 100% completely redesigned ... " Hmm isn't '100% completely' totally redundant?


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Dave, br br The Jobu came about an hour ago. I ha... (show quote)


Thank you,Bill,for getting back to me. I'm still trying to decide between this one and the Wimberley M-8. In the meantime, I got a Sigma 35mm 1.4 Art. I like that focal range in a prime. I knew it was heavy and I wasn't disappointed! Maybe I can concentrate more now,but I don't need it until June. I want to be 100% completely sure.

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Feb 15, 2017 08:02:48   #
aflundi Loc: Albuquerque, NM
 
Bill_de wrote:
Dave,

The Jobu came about an hour ago. I haven't shot with it yet, but first impression is that it is a keeper. It Arca Swiss style plate on the bottom is square so it can be mounted in either direction. In the picture I raised the arm on the Wimberley before mounting the camera for clearance. As it turned out it wasn't necessary. Even with the D4s, a fairly large DSLR there is plenty of room. I'm using an L bracket, but as mounted the camera can tilt ninety degrees to the right if just using a camera plate. [ ... ]
Dave, br br The Jobu came about an hour ago. I ha... (show quote)


I'm confused. The Jobu is so tall, it looks like it is impossible to put the camera/lens center-of-mass at the gimbal axes intersection. All the pictures of its use I've seen, including yours, look like the center-of-mass is well above the horizontal axis, which, if true, seems no better than using a ballhead. You seem delighted though. What am I missing? What does the Jobu do that a less expensive nodal plate doesn't (which allows proper center-of-mass placement)?

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Feb 15, 2017 20:38:42   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
This video pretty well answered my questions,hope it helps:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6HwtHHHcTc

I was leaning towards the Hejnar plate MT recommended,but the tilt feature on the WAA2 for leveling the horizon may be worthwhile and it looks good to me.

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Feb 15, 2017 21:14:24   #
aflundi Loc: Albuquerque, NM
 
DaveO wrote:
This video pretty well answered my questions,hope it helps:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6HwtHHHcTc
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Thanks for the reply and video link, but unfortunately, the video didn't tell me anything that wasn't obvious, so I still don't understand. My take is that the "problems" it solves according to the video, are non-existant (just slide the body away from the arm if your gimbal is that small -- most aren't, and use the L-part of your L-bracket for vertical), and of course the video didn't go into what I consider to be real problem the Jobu causes -- that being it leaves your camera highly unstable because the high center-of-mass. which makes me wonder how many bodies and/or lenses have gotten dented or worse when the gimbal knob wasn't closed tightly enough.

But, if it works for you, then problem solved. Best of luck with it.

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Feb 15, 2017 21:19:26   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
aflundi wrote:
Thanks for the reply and video link, but unfortunately, the video didn't tell me anything that wasn't obvious, so I still don't understand. My take is that the "problems" it solves according to the video, are non-existant (just slide the body away from the arm if your gimbal is that small -- most aren't, and use the L-part of your L-bracket for vertical), and of course the video didn't go into what I consider to be real problem the Jobu causes -- that being it leaves your camera highly unstable because the high center-of-mass. which makes me wonder how many bodies and/or lenses have gotten dented or worse when the gimbal knob wasn't closed tightly enough.

But, if it works for you, then problem solved. Best of luck with it.
Thanks for the reply and video link, but unfortuna... (show quote)


The video showed that raising the mount clears everything nicely and the height is not bad at all,so I'm good. Thanks for the reply.

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