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Feb 1, 2017 06:42:05   #
dandi Loc: near Seattle, WA
 
I think all three photos benefit from having people in there. I would say people will always add something to the photo if they are placed there tastefully, like in these shots. The second is my favorite, really good.

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Feb 1, 2017 06:44:58   #
cthahn
 
It all depends on the picture your taking and who will look at the picture. People have nothing to do wit h composition.

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Feb 1, 2017 06:53:34   #
dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida
 
SS in his comments: "They gave a statistic, that something like 85% of all prize winning photography has at least one person in it! " Especially babies or children or human substitutes like dogs, I bet?!

There is a lady in our CClub who often gets award status [point level >21] I swear, extra points because it has a gushy-gooiest drooling grand child in it.... the big eye thing like with pets!!! A deep psychological response. Her photos, good photos, yes, but extra points for sharp focus on drool ! The great student of Ansel Adams, W.C. Fields, would never take babies in photos. Recall? his famous quote? " A man <photo judge> that hates dogs and kids can't be all bad."

" Researchers showed that a region of the human brain called the medial orbitofrontal cortex is specifically active within a seventh of a second in response to (unfamiliar) infant faces but not to adult faces. "
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/02/080226213448.htm

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Feb 1, 2017 06:53:56   #
d2b2 Loc: Catonsville, Maryland, USA
 
My family says that when there are people in my photos, it is likely a mistake! I rarely put them in the scene, but that is usually because I am shooting landscapes that are too far or wide to make a difference, or they are nature-related and people would be out of place. When I do include people, it is usually to provide some sense of scope or scale.

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Feb 1, 2017 07:08:41   #
Dan5000 Loc: New Hampshire
 
I find the people in the first photo distracting. The 3rd photo works well. The people add perspective. The second photo has so much going on it doesn't help. Just my thoughts. A good subject to consider.
Dan

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Feb 1, 2017 07:28:49   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
grillmaster5062 wrote:
Whether to include people in an image or not should be determined by whether they add interest or detract from the picture. I don't care what the contest results say. If the image is better off without people in the frame, then that's how I'm going to shoot. Sometimes they help to add a sense of scale.


Yes - I'm sure that there are subjects and occasions that do not require people - I think SS was after demonstrating that we do not always need to go out of our way to exclude them - if they were there then perhaps they should be part of the pic.

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Feb 1, 2017 08:11:49   #
Tom G Loc: Atlanta, GA
 
SharpShooter wrote:
On the heels of whether our fotos should have a subject...., should we include people in our fotos?
Every year Costco has a Foto contest for its members, maybe you have seen the foto issue of the Costco Connection in years past. About eight years ago they had a short tutorial on how to take pictures.
They gave a statistic, that something like 85% of all prize winning photography has at least one person in it! I was a little surprised! I don't remember the exact percentage but it was VERY high.
The moral to that story was that if you include people in your compositions, they stood an 85% better chance of winning a prize than if you did not!
Indeed, how often do we go out of our way to NOT include people in our shots? You hear, "get there early so there wont be people yet". Is that good advice?
I recently saw in the gallery a beautiful foto of a darkened street in a European town with no people. It was obvious that the photographer had gone out of their way to eliminate them. The image also had NO soul! It needed a couple hand-in-hand or kissing or kids or something!!
I'm going to include 3 images that all have people in them. People are an integral part of our world, so why do we sometimes try SO hard to shut them out. We are social animals and NEED people in our lives.
Since that article I've made it a point to include people in a way that they support my subject and indeed some of these photographs have done well in competitions!!
I am following with 3 pics that have people in situations where you often see them purposely eliminated.
So what are your philosophies about including people? Feel free to post shots to support your position and why you feel it works for you.
Maybe after this post you will have a better understanding of whether to include people or not to include people in your compositions!!!
Please wait till I post the images. Thanks!
SS
On the heels of whether our fotos should have a su... (show quote)


Brevity is the soul of explanation (and "wit").

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Feb 1, 2017 08:38:19   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
SharpShooter wrote:
On the heels of whether our fotos should have a subject...., should we include people in our fotos?
Every year Costco has a Foto contest for its members, maybe you have seen the foto issue of the Costco Connection in years past. About eight years ago they had a short tutorial on how to take pictures.
They gave a statistic, that something like 85% of all prize winning photography has at least one person in it! I was a little surprised! I don't remember the exact percentage but it was VERY high.
The moral to that story was that if you include people in your compositions, they stood an 85% better chance of winning a prize than if you did not!
Indeed, how often do we go out of our way to NOT include people in our shots? You hear, "get there early so there wont be people yet". Is that good advice?
I recently saw in the gallery a beautiful foto of a darkened street in a European town with no people. It was obvious that the photographer had gone out of their way to eliminate them. The image also had NO soul! It needed a couple hand-in-hand or kissing or kids or something!!
I'm going to include 3 images that all have people in them. People are an integral part of our world, so why do we sometimes try SO hard to shut them out. We are social animals and NEED people in our lives.
Since that article I've made it a point to include people in a way that they support my subject and indeed some of these photographs have done well in competitions!!
I am following with 3 pics that have people in situations where you often see them purposely eliminated.
So what are your philosophies about including people? Feel free to post shots to support your position and why you feel it works for you.
Maybe after this post you will have a better understanding of whether to include people or not to include people in your compositions!!!
Please wait till I post the images. Thanks!
SS
On the heels of whether our fotos should have a su... (show quote)

Just a silly response--I think that every portrait of a person MUST include at least 1 people.

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Feb 1, 2017 08:55:41   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
paulrph1 wrote:
...In the first foto the people add nothing and in fact detract but in the second one the foto would be fine either way and in the third one the people give meaning to the foto...
Size matters! If they are too large, they might become the subject and change the story, or they might compete with the subject (as some have suggested about the Eiffel Tower composition). Using little people to add context or scale was discussed in a fascinating share topic posted in September:

http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-411164-1.html

The little people in the Versailles shot are integral to the story as you mentioned, SS; they are not merely showing scale. An important distinction if the topic being discussed is merely whether to include people as a part of the overall mood (the Windsor shot).

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Feb 1, 2017 09:15:07   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
SharpShooter wrote:
On the heels of whether our fotos should have a subject...., should we include people in our fotos?
Every year Costco has a Foto contest for its members, maybe you have seen the foto issue of the Costco Connection in years past. About eight years ago they had a short tutorial on how to take pictures.
They gave a statistic, that something like 85% of all prize winning photography has at least one person in it! I was a little surprised! I don't remember the exact percentage but it was VERY high.
The moral to that story was that if you include people in your compositions, they stood an 85% better chance of winning a prize than if you did not!
Indeed, how often do we go out of our way to NOT include people in our shots? You hear, "get there early so there wont be people yet". Is that good advice?
I recently saw in the gallery a beautiful foto of a darkened street in a European town with no people. It was obvious that the photographer had gone out of their way to eliminate them. The image also had NO soul! It needed a couple hand-in-hand or kissing or kids or something!!
I'm going to include 3 images that all have people in them. People are an integral part of our world, so why do we sometimes try SO hard to shut them out. We are social animals and NEED people in our lives.
Since that article I've made it a point to include people in a way that they support my subject and indeed some of these photographs have done well in competitions!!
I am following with 3 pics that have people in situations where you often see them purposely eliminated.
So what are your philosophies about including people? Feel free to post shots to support your position and why you feel it works for you.
Maybe after this post you will have a better understanding of whether to include people or not to include people in your compositions!!!
Please wait till I post the images. Thanks!
SS
On the heels of whether our fotos should have a su... (show quote)



Sure. Why not? Many images benefit from people, or some other critter, being in the shot and providing a sense of scale.

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Feb 1, 2017 09:38:14   #
Leitz Loc: Solms
 
Now that I think about it, probably would add a bit more interest to my sports photography.

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Feb 1, 2017 11:16:17   #
Hemamt Kumar
 
Yeah for sure :)
http://www.getwhatsappstatus.com/2017/02/valentines-daymessages-for-her-is-what.html

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Feb 1, 2017 11:46:15   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
SharpShooter wrote:
On the heels of whether our fotos should have a subject...., should we include people in our fotos?
Every year Costco has a Foto contest for its members, maybe you have seen the foto issue of the Costco Connection in years past. About eight years ago they had a short tutorial on how to take pictures.
They gave a statistic, that something like 85% of all prize winning photography has at least one person in it! I was a little surprised! I don't remember the exact percentage but it was VERY high.
The moral to that story was that if you include people in your compositions, they stood an 85% better chance of winning a prize than if you did not!
Indeed, how often do we go out of our way to NOT include people in our shots? You hear, "get there early so there wont be people yet". Is that good advice?
I recently saw in the gallery a beautiful foto of a darkened street in a European town with no people. It was obvious that the photographer had gone out of their way to eliminate them. The image also had NO soul! It needed a couple hand-in-hand or kissing or kids or something!!
I'm going to include 3 images that all have people in them. People are an integral part of our world, so why do we sometimes try SO hard to shut them out. We are social animals and NEED people in our lives.
Since that article I've made it a point to include people in a way that they support my subject and indeed some of these photographs have done well in competitions!!
I am following with 3 pics that have people in situations where you often see them purposely eliminated.
So what are your philosophies about including people? Feel free to post shots to support your position and why you feel it works for you.
Maybe after this post you will have a better understanding of whether to include people or not to include people in your compositions!!!
Please wait till I post the images. Thanks!
SS
On the heels of whether our fotos should have a su... (show quote)

A timber frame barn under construction, with and/or without people. Take your pick.

with
with...

without
without...

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Feb 1, 2017 12:03:33   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
boberic wrote:
Just a silly response--I think that every portrait of a person MUST include at least 1 people.


Boberic, is that so silly?!
Recently, maybe 3 years ago, Annie Leibovitz created a huge stir within the photographic community when she presented her now very famous portraits of famous people. These were people from the past, and no, there were NO people in them.
The definition of a portrait is that there is, as you say, a person present. Well there is NOT one person in her show. She gathered object that belonged to those people to paint a picture in our minds of how the person could have been and used our psyche to create the person in our minds. That show was very controversial and quite famous. A unique spin indeed!!!
No people portraits was born!
SS

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Feb 1, 2017 12:24:50   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
SharpShooter wrote:
Boberic, is that so silly?!
Recently, maybe 3 years ago, Annie Leibovitz created a huge stir within the photographic community when she presented her now very famous portraits of famous people. These were people from the past, and no, there were NO people in them.
The definition of a portrait is that there is, as you say, a person present. Well there is NOT one person in her show. She gathered object that belonged to those people to paint a picture in our minds of how the person could have been and used our psyche to create the person in our minds. That show was very controversial and quite famous. A unique spin indeed!!!
No people portraits was born!
SS
Boberic, is that so silly?! br Recently, maybe 3 y... (show quote)


Purely my opinion. A piture of something that may explain something about a person is not a picture of that person. We may very well learn about facets of that persons personality, but we still do not have a picture of that person. If there is a photo of whatshis name's horse, we know what the horse looks like, and we may know what whatshis name did. But we still do not know what whatshis name looks like and whatshis name might really be whatsher name.

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