The Acrobats & The Nun
Jan 30, 2017 11:04:30 #
Frank2013 wrote:
Might you indulge us with your cropped version.......
Indeed Frank, but I'm just making some adjustments in line with some of Piet's suggestions, and will post once I'm happier with it. The crop itself, much as you suggested, is a big improvement. Haven't made my mind up about those rh figures yet. Of course, I might get all tangled-up with these changes and create a mess! Hang-in there and I'll be back!
Jan 30, 2017 11:05:45 #
pfrancke wrote:
Only the positions - where they gaze is critical and you nailed it, but on the RH - the backwards lean is a little extreme. And the one most forward looks to be about two feet forward. If he was one foot forward I would have been happy! The rightmost figure is OK - his partner's deformation is too extreme. Perhaps consider letting the "inside" one be the one in the back.
OK, I'll take a look at that. Thanks for coming back on it.
Jan 30, 2017 11:09:32 #
You all want to slice and dice, ok, lets get too it:
1) The handstanders body mass says his weight is suspended over open water, he is lifting
or vaulting off the horse but definetly in action totally independent of the "group"
2) The "group" is sexually charged, the acrobats are seeking some perceived delight from the demure
maid whose tightly crossed legs and empty head suggest she has no interest in their proposed high jinks.
1) The handstanders body mass says his weight is suspended over open water, he is lifting
or vaulting off the horse but definetly in action totally independent of the "group"
2) The "group" is sexually charged, the acrobats are seeking some perceived delight from the demure
maid whose tightly crossed legs and empty head suggest she has no interest in their proposed high jinks.
Jan 30, 2017 11:22:29 #
oldtigger wrote:
You all want to slice and dice, ok, lets get too it:
1) The handstanders body mass says his weight is suspended over open water, he is lifting
or vaulting off the horse but definetly in action totally independent of the "group"
2) The "group" is sexually charged, the acrobats are seeking some perceived delight from the demure
maid whose tightly crossed legs and empty head suggest she has no interest in their proposed high jinks.
1) The handstanders body mass says his weight is suspended over open water, he is lifting
or vaulting off the horse but definetly in action totally independent of the "group"
2) The "group" is sexually charged, the acrobats are seeking some perceived delight from the demure
maid whose tightly crossed legs and empty head suggest she has no interest in their proposed high jinks.
Nicely interpreted ot.
I think I'm in agreement about dumping the handstandman as suggested by everyone earlier, although I may end up with two versions, with and without.
I do find the cropped version more attractive.
Don't think they'll be getting any change out of the nun, she's definitely keeping those legs crossed. I'm in the middle of increasing the size of all the acrobats - we'll see if that impresses her, but I doubt it will.
Just run into trouble grouping the reflections to the figures, so may have to go back to an earlier snapshot to recover my position. Unlike the nun, I'm all over the place here! Will show the result if I get one (as the acrobat said to the nun).
Jan 30, 2017 12:51:34 #
magnetoman wrote:
A composite of garden sculptures. The purists will not feel this is photography, I'm sure. For others, if you would comment on your likes and dislikes, or offer suggestions, it will be appreciated. Not sure how well it will upload as I've struggled a bit going between Ps and Lr.
If you define photography as an art form this is acceptable. I like the photo and the imagination put into it -this is creative expression using the tool of the camera. Let's see more.
Jan 30, 2017 18:30:32 #
magnetoman wrote:
A composite of garden sculptures. The purists will not feel this is photography, I'm sure. For others, if you would comment on your likes and dislikes, or offer suggestions, it will be appreciated. Not sure how well it will upload as I've struggled a bit going between Ps and Lr.
You all are WAY out there with this stuff.Looking at the picture, my eye is straining to reconcile the scale of the guy on the left who is atop the horsehead with the figures in the background. Just a bit too much tension there. If anything, I'd shrink the dude by maybe an eighth and move him to the right a hair.
Jan 30, 2017 18:53:10 #
G_Manos wrote: You all are WAY out there with this stuff.
Looking at the picture, my eye is straining to reconcile the scale of the guy on the left who is atop the horsehead with the figures in the background. Just a bit too much tension there. If anything, I'd shrink the dude by maybe an eighth and move him to the right a hair.
You all are WAY out there with this stuff.Looking at the picture, my eye is straining to reconcile the scale of the guy on the left who is atop the horsehead with the figures in the background. Just a bit too much tension there. If anything, I'd shrink the dude by maybe an eighth and move him to the right a hair.
Yeah, I did do that at one point but seemed to lose the alteration somewhere along the way! Currently, I've dropped him altogether and cropped as Frank suggested way back - also re-scaled the acrobats a bit, and now have just discovered I'm in trouble with the water ripple for some reason! Nearly midnight so I'll leave it for tomorrow. Thanks for contributing, it's appreciated.
Jan 31, 2017 05:37:36 #
Here, for those still with me on this, is the crop I prefer, which is more or less what Frank suggested early on.
It is not however the 'final' that I envisage - the arm-lift guy needs re-scaling. I am in the throws of doing this but wanted one or two other minor changes and have run into trouble somewhere in the layers. Now I'm not getting the result expected so am having a think on it. If I eventually come up with what I really want I will re-post.
By the way, I did try Piet's suggestions around the ball-runner twins on the right but just couldn't agree that they need changing, other than perhaps a little re-scaling.
So, this is the interim 'final'...
It is not however the 'final' that I envisage - the arm-lift guy needs re-scaling. I am in the throws of doing this but wanted one or two other minor changes and have run into trouble somewhere in the layers. Now I'm not getting the result expected so am having a think on it. If I eventually come up with what I really want I will re-post.
By the way, I did try Piet's suggestions around the ball-runner twins on the right but just couldn't agree that they need changing, other than perhaps a little re-scaling.
So, this is the interim 'final'...
Jan 31, 2017 08:30:31 #
magnetoman wrote:
Here, for those still with me on this, is the crop... (show quote)
I find it highly engaging, Dave: the size, placement and weight (balance) of the figures within the frame, the reflections, colors. All working for me!
Jan 31, 2017 11:37:59 #
Linda From Maine wrote:
I find it highly engaging, Dave: the size, placement and weight (balance) of the figures within the frame, the reflections, colors. All working for me!
Thanks Linda, It does have a more comfortable feel to the composition I think. Might change the colour of the sculptures eventually but the end result will be close to this one. Thanks for commenting.
Jan 31, 2017 11:45:32 #
magnetoman wrote:
Thanks Linda, It does have a more comfortable feel to the composition I think. Might change the colour of the sculptures eventually but the end result will be close to this one. Thanks for commenting.
Your mention of comfortable reminded me of what Edie said: "I really like this photo, magnetoman! I like that the acrobat and horse create a dissonance in the image, and that the body of the acrobat parallels the hat of the nun. Without that acrobat standing on the horse's head, the image's composition would be more classic, which might be more comfortable for most people."
I personally seem to be drawn more and more to serene, gentle, non-jarring.
And that reminded me of oldtigger's comments in Sharpshooter's main forum discussion of composition, "You youngsters... I've reached a point in life where calm, peaceful and serene is the last thing i want to see..."
Which brings me to this question for you, Dave: What was your original plan for the composition regarding balance vs. dissonance, mood/tension and what caused you to change it to this latest?
Jan 31, 2017 12:11:28 #
[quote=Linda From Maine]Your mention of comfortable reminded me of what Edie said: "I really like this photo, magnetoman! I like that the acrobat and horse create a dissonance in the image, and that the body of the acrobat parallels the hat of the nun. Without that acrobat standing on the horse's head, the image's composition would be more classic, which might be more comfortable for most people."
I personally seem to be drawn more and more to serene, gentle, non-jarring.
And that reminded me of oldtigger's comments in Sharpshooter's main forum discussion of composition, "You youngsters... I've reached a point in life where calm, peaceful and serene is the last thing i want to see..."
I originally wanted to incorporate all the sculptures, simply because the acrobats are a set - displayed in a small grass area surrounded by high hedging. I shot them with the intention of using them together in a composite.
Initially I felt that handstandman was not going to be easy to include, until I put him large and forefront. I was reasonably happy with that but could see the composition of the others was almost something separate, complete in itself.
Then the majority of viewers suggested he went and, having tried it, I went with that idea. I like the result enough to persevere with a few difficulties I'm having getting it the way I want. However, I've not given up on the 'full set' and will probably be fiddling around with them for some time to come! I also like the nun on her own, she is not part of the acrobat set and has her own setting in the collection. She's stunning. I'd love to own the sculpture, so I would like to come up with something that does her justice on her own.
You may also have viewed another of my composites that came out of that days shooting - it incorporated a statue of Lenin, and was posted tongue-in-cheek at a time of dissension amongst ugly hoggers, but must have been seen as too political at the time as it had plenty of views but no comments! Naughty me! Also, my post Ophelia's Daughter came out of that shoot. A really good days work!
I personally seem to be drawn more and more to serene, gentle, non-jarring.
And that reminded me of oldtigger's comments in Sharpshooter's main forum discussion of composition, "You youngsters... I've reached a point in life where calm, peaceful and serene is the last thing i want to see..."
I originally wanted to incorporate all the sculptures, simply because the acrobats are a set - displayed in a small grass area surrounded by high hedging. I shot them with the intention of using them together in a composite.
Initially I felt that handstandman was not going to be easy to include, until I put him large and forefront. I was reasonably happy with that but could see the composition of the others was almost something separate, complete in itself.
Then the majority of viewers suggested he went and, having tried it, I went with that idea. I like the result enough to persevere with a few difficulties I'm having getting it the way I want. However, I've not given up on the 'full set' and will probably be fiddling around with them for some time to come! I also like the nun on her own, she is not part of the acrobat set and has her own setting in the collection. She's stunning. I'd love to own the sculpture, so I would like to come up with something that does her justice on her own.
You may also have viewed another of my composites that came out of that days shooting - it incorporated a statue of Lenin, and was posted tongue-in-cheek at a time of dissension amongst ugly hoggers, but must have been seen as too political at the time as it had plenty of views but no comments! Naughty me! Also, my post Ophelia's Daughter came out of that shoot. A really good days work!
Jan 31, 2017 12:21:27 #
magnetoman wrote:
Indeed!... it had plenty of views but no comments! Naughty me! Also, my post Ophelia's Daughter came out of that shoot. A really good days work!
And thanks for the further discussion about your ideas for these pieces. We sometimes seem so quick to dismiss the OP's vision, but I know that's a function of several factors...and a subject for another thread
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