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Jan 12, 2017 06:59:18   #
mainshipper Loc: Hernando, Florida
 
Apparently there was a recent update to the TSA rules in the US regarding traveling with lithium batteries. See this link for details http://phmsa.dot.gov/safetravel/batteries. International looks similar. All lithium batteries must be in carry on luggage and be individually isolated from other batteries. Is anyone aware of any limits or exceptions to these processes?

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Jan 12, 2017 07:16:06   #
OnDSnap Loc: NE New Jersey
 
I believe its cause of the type fire extinguishers carried on board in cabin (can put out a lithium bat fire) compared to the fire suppression in the baggage hole which can't.

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Jan 12, 2017 07:21:58   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
OnDSnap wrote:
I believe its cause of the type fire extinguishers carried on board in cabin (can put out a lithium bat fire) compared to the fire suppression in the baggage hole which can't.


It probably easier to spot a fire inside the cabin than inside the cargo are, although they do have fire detectors.

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Jan 12, 2017 07:31:42   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
I am a little confused. Where in the provided link is it stated all must be in carry-on?

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Jan 12, 2017 07:44:01   #
Bultaco Loc: Aiken, SC
 
They rated batteries in WA, a 2200Ma 5V battery converts to 5 Wa

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Jan 12, 2017 07:48:09   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
Bultaco wrote:
They rated batteries in WA, a 2200Ma 5V battery converts to 5 Wa


A D810 battery is 13.3 Wa. (1900 mAh at 7 V.) as far as I can tell. I think spares would have to be in carry-on,according to the link.

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Jan 12, 2017 08:06:03   #
OnDSnap Loc: NE New Jersey
 
jerryc41 wrote:
It probably easier to spot a fire inside the cabin than inside the cargo are, although they do have fire detectors.


https://petapixel.com/2015/10/15/psa-never-pack-spare-lithium-batteries-in-checked-baggage-when-flying/

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Jan 12, 2017 08:07:37   #
Tjohn Loc: Inverness, FL formerly Arivaca, AZ
 
Go look at your lithium containing batteries and tell me how many grams each has.

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Jan 12, 2017 08:28:22   #
LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY
 
mainshipper wrote:
Apparently there was a recent update to the TSA rules in the US regarding traveling with lithium batteries. See this link for details http://phmsa.dot.gov/safetravel/batteries. International looks similar. All lithium batteries must be in carry on luggage and be individually isolated from other batteries. Is anyone aware of any limits or exceptions to these processes?


There has been no significant changes from what I can see. Loose batteries have to be in carry on, same as always. Installed batteries of the type normally used in cameras and flashes can be in either checked or carry on, not that I or most anyone else would trust their camera to checked baggage. Some batteries cannot be checked or are not allowed at all, but those are not of types normally used in cameras, except perhaps some specialized equipment. Nothing in the regs says that a DSLR, with the battery installed, can't be put in checked luggage.

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Jan 12, 2017 08:33:55   #
marki3rd Loc: Columbus, Indiana
 
Bultaco wrote:
They rated batteries in WA, a 2200Ma 5V battery converts to 5 Wa


Batteries are rated in Wh (watt hour) or volts and Mah (milliamp hour).

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Jan 12, 2017 08:35:44   #
MT Shooter Loc: Montana
 
LFingar wrote:
There has been no significant changes from what I can see. Loose batteries have to be in carry on, same as always. Installed batteries of the type normally used in cameras and flashes can be in either checked or carry on, not that I or most anyone else would trust their camera to checked baggage. Some batteries cannot be checked or are not allowed at all, but those are not of types normally used in cameras, except perhaps some specialized equipment. Nothing in the regs says that a DSLR, with the battery installed, can't be put in checked luggage.
There has been no significant changes from what I ... (show quote)


It's funny that with ALL the battery explosions and fires posted all over the internet, I have yet to see a single story of a camera battery fire anywhere. Just food for thought.

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Jan 12, 2017 08:43:08   #
mainshipper Loc: Hernando, Florida
 
jerryc41 wrote:
It probably easier to spot a fire inside the cabin than inside the cargo are, although they do have fire detectors.


I think the reference was to installed batteries and refers to cell phones like iPhones that don't have a removable battery. For cameras I would remove, protect, and pack separately in carry on.

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Jan 12, 2017 08:49:46   #
Davethehiker Loc: South West Pennsylvania
 
A few years ago I was flying to Alaska. As we were about to board the plane the Stewardess made an unintelligible announcement about "lithium batteries." I walked over to her and asked her to repeat the message because I could not understand her. She said, "We are boarded now, I'll explain it when we are aboard." As we were taxiing out to take off I caught her attention and asked her to explain what she was saying about "Lithium batteries." She did, and I told her her that I have a lot of lithium batteries in my big suitcase in storage on the plane. She told the Captain. The plane was returned to the back to the airport. They found my big suitcase and brought it to my seat. I removed the lithium batteries, and placed them in my carry-on luggage. The plane was late in taking off so they gave everyone free drinks. I hope it did not cause anyone to miss a connecting flight. It was explained to me that there is a danger of fire with lithium batteries and they can better control a fire in the cabin than they can in the luggage hold. They were all AA and AAA size for my flash and cameras.

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Jan 12, 2017 09:11:06   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
Davethehiker wrote:
A few years ago I was flying to Alaska. As we were about to board the plane the Stewardess made an unintelligible announcement about "lithium batteries." I walked over to her and asked her to repeat the message because I could not understand her. She said, "We are boarded now, I'll explain it when we are aboard." As we were taxiing out to take off I caught her attention and asked her to explain what she was saying about "Lithium batteries." She did, and I told her her that I have a lot of lithium batteries in my big suitcase in storage on the plane. She told the Captain. The plane was returned to the back to the airport. They found my big suitcase and brought it to my seat. I removed the lithium batteries, and placed them in my carry-on luggage. The plane was late in taking off so they gave everyone free drinks. I hope it did not cause anyone to miss a connecting flight. It was explained to me that there is a danger of fire with lithium batteries and they can better control a fire in the cabin than they can in the luggage hold. They were all AA and AAA size for my flash and cameras.
A few years ago I was flying to Alaska. As we were... (show quote)


You did the right thing, according to their policies. It is better to miss a connection than to not arrive to make it!

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Jan 12, 2017 09:16:38   #
marki3rd Loc: Columbus, Indiana
 
mainshipper wrote:
I think the reference was to installed batteries and refers to cell phones like iPhones that don't have a removable battery. For cameras I would remove, protect, and pack separately in carry on.


iPhones don't have removable batteries? All the cell phones I have ever owned (not Apple products) had removable batteries.

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