selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA

And I don't care. It is irrelevant to this discussion.

I'm not from Missouri but I believe in their motto, "Show me." The reason that I have posted on UHH about the misconceptions being put forth here as gospel is to encourage everyone to do their own research and decide for themselves - don't just drink the ETTR/EBTR Kool-Aid.

And why are you posting in support of ETTR? Just because I posted here?

I have seen no evidence that he uses ETTR the way that it has been promoted here on UHH, i.e., at high ISO for a narrow subject DR. The statement that he makes in his video is that, "you need to get the exposure correct or slightly, slightly overexposed - perhaps 3 tents of a stop." That's not ETTR.

I suggest that you think through the logic yourself before you take a stand on either side.

tdekany Loc: Oregon

Instead of trying to sound like you are a gift from god, why don't you look back at what you post. Sounds like you suffer from terrible ADD. I posted 2 videos in support of ETTR. You haven't posted anything in this thread at that time I started copying the links. You think way too highly of yourself. It was YOU who replied to me, don't you remember that? Telling me "how" I should take photos. When I tell you how I shoot, you say you don't care. But to be honest with you, I could care less what you think - not just about photography but anything in general.

I am going to tell you again, that you seem to be way too fixated on ETTR. What difference does it make to you how everyone else is shooting? Whether one underexposes or overexposes should be the least of our issues. Neither one guarantees an award winning shot. LIGHT, SUBJECT MATTER, IMPACT, COMPOSITION should be at the top of everyone's list.

You are being so silly.

On another note, I am not sure what video you are talking about, maybe this one. http://youtu.be/0LojM0DPIJ0 He mentions that he does use AUTO ISO according to this video. Again, instead of worrying about whether ETTR works or not, may I suggest that you focus on getting better shots in general? Does it really matter to you how people get to the finish line? If ETTR is not your cup of tea, that is fine. You are a free man. Do as you please. No one cares. So if you could give us the same courtesy, it would be much appreciated.

The only thing that should really matter is the final product. You have seen some of my snaps that were underexposed and overexposed. In either case, you said my pictures sucked. (agree with you). So how important is the exposer? Not too much if I listen to you. Yet here you are preaching to anyone who will listen.

Another fantastic photographer is Fred Miranda. He switched to the Sony A7r first and now uses the A7rII. He uses ETTR even though his camera has plenty of DR. Just go to FM.com and search out his posts. He owns the forum, it shouldn't be too hard to find him. He even has examples posted for you.

But guess what. The reason for his amazing landscape portfolio is not due to ETTR or the lack of it. He has the eye, he is creative, and he is a gifted photographer. That is the recipe for award winners. Unfortunately, most of us lack those qualities, YOU included. And trust, me, fixating on technical variables will not change snap shots into work of art.

selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA

Getting a little testy? Get a grip on yourself.

Yes, the link " http://youtu.be/0LojM0DPIJ0 (Dickman)" was posted by Uuglypher but you are the one that claimed, "Jay Dickman practices ETTR in 2017."

www.fm.com is not his web site, that would be www.fredmiranda.com.

At Easy ETTR technique using the Zebra pattern he describes how to use it but does not say that he actually ever does use it nor does he claim that there are any benefits.

The how part has been covered ad nauseam and there are several ways to accomplish it depending on who is describing it.

The problem is that the why bother has never been addressed - note the total absence of response to to my ETTR-EBTR Challenge from anyone who recommends using it.

tdekany Loc: Oregon

"FM" instead of "Fred Miranda" is often used by those who mention www.fredmiranda.com. Get a life dude! Is that the best you can do? That is what you are going to go on about??? You are being really silly.

I guess you missed the post where he posted examples of his ETTR shots. I am not going to search it for you, and whether he uses them or not, it wouldn't matter, but why would he post a pro ETTR post if he didn't believe in it?

You sound so pathetic. Really man. Non of this will improve your snaps. No matter what you think of ETTR. Let us say it provides absolutely zero benefit which would prove that you are right. What would that accomplish besides feeding your giant ego?

Look at the pictures that are posted on this site daily. "Most" of them are sooc snaps shots. No creativity, lack of good composition, no subject matter, uneven horizons, power line cables left in the pictures etc.... And you are trying to prevent people for falling for ETTR? You are one funny old man.

Thank you for the laughs!!!!

PS: yes that video is recent, he is using the EM1 Mark 2 that just came out.

canon Lee

Hi.. this might be a bit off topic but I shoot professionally "picture day" at youth sports clubs. I set up my own lighting and backdrops. I use my histogram after each shot to see that the whites are not overblown. I shoot youngsters that have little color in their skin so its important that I don't over expose. It's in post editing that I edit my RAWS. It is important that I slide my WB SLIDER, toward the "blue" side so that the reds/oranges aren't SATURATED. HINT. if you outsource your pictures to a color lab make sure you turn down the blacks and use your "SHADOW" slider to center the mid tones. If you don't then your photos will be dark with little detail in the blacks and the reds/oranges will be saturated.

canon Lee

EXPOSING TO THE RIGHT! NOT> from experience I know that exposing to the right is not a good thing.. If you shoot for skin color, especially young people that lack any color, it is best to not to shoot to the right . Once editing the RAWS, the "HIGHLIGHTS" can only rescue so much skin tone and mostly it is blown out when shooting to the right. Over exposing to the right also effects WB. Shooting in Manual helps but there will always be a color shift especially in the reds. I pay attention to the histogram and never exceed the white limits.

tdekany Loc: Oregon

I think you will see that the examples are usually landscape. For studio work, you are in charge of lighting.

selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA

I didn't look for it. Apparently you can't find it either so I'll take your statement as hearsay, not acceptable evidence.

I hate to burst your bubble but the micro four thirds EM1 in no way compares to a full frame Nikon, Canon or Sony when it comes to resolution, noise and dynamic range. The four thirds sensor (2.0 crop) is even smaller than a Nikon DX (1.5 crop) or Canon (1.6 crop).

Size matters. I would take a 33x44 MF digital sensor any day over a 36 or 50 MP full frame sensor, if I could afford it.

The EM1 might be the perfect camera for someone whose images are printed in a magazine but if you want to print anything much larger than 11x14 you are going to have to aspire to something with a larger sensor.

But even if it is not up to the level of the other three brands, there is no need to go overboard on ETTR or other techniques to make up for the Em1's shortcomings. They are just not that glaring. Careful exposure and knowing what you are doing can easily overcome the difference.

tdekany Loc: Oregon

Nobody cares what you think. And now you are putting your opinion out there about the EM1? LOL!!! Nobody cares.

Jay Dickman uses m4/3 and he is an award winning and Nat Geo Pro photographer.

Who are you? And what do you do that makes you famous? That's right, you are someone who is fixated on ETTR.

I close my case. Lol!

selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA

Apparently you care very much or you would not be responding.

Thank goodness you won't continue.

tdekany Loc: Oregon

You quoted my post. Lol! No one cares what you think. I'm just pointing it out to you. How you get an award winning shot doesn't matter. The shot matters! Evidently you can't comprehend that. ETTR or under exposer? Who cares? Just get the shot! Try it.

selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA

You are repeating yourself. What part of "case closed" did you mean?

tdekany Loc: Oregon

Old man, you are really pathetic. We should agree that the key should be taking less snaps and more award winners. Why in the world would you fight that is beyond me.

selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA

So who is fighting that? You? Not me.

tdekany Loc: Oregon