NoSocks Loc: quonochontaug, rhode island

Then stop reading this thread and move on. Better yet, move out.

tdekany Loc: Oregon

I remember that story from a documentary. Do you know what chimps do to male humans? They tear off your balls and thumbs. First thing they do when they attack.

romanticf16 Loc: Commerce Twp, MI

And that usually included in camera double exposures too! Remember the couple in the wineglass shot? And we used manual flashes and reset the f stop as we changed distances by judging the distance and darkness of the room.

Bram boy Loc: Vancouver Island B.C. Canada

Also has been used in the logging industry and comersial fishing for a hundered years

Bram boy Loc: Vancouver Island B.C. Canada

Ding dang walla wallabing bang

j45 Loc: North Central CT

YES, that happened here in Connecticut. Since that horrible event I have not looked at any reference to chimpanzees. The woman made a personal pet out of a chimp and that was the result. I think the ownership of such animals should be banned nationwise. They are NOT humans. Those animals get very old and cranky in their old age.

Anyway, I guess the definition CHeck IMage Preview is the right answer.

I always thought that it came from an observation from giving a chimp a digital camera and have him shoot, and the resultant antics observed from the chimp marveling and excited at the LCD.

Somehow I really dont think that "chimping" is a derogatory term. That's the advantage of digital tech. Immediate review. Of course reviewing each shot should be an on the spot learning experience and not something to get used to. Exposure judgement and framing (and checking for blinks, etc) are things that should be learned to judge before the shot is taken.

What kind of photographer would you be if you just relied on some signaling device that says 'Okay good shot, move on'. I really get disturbed when i see so much automatic judgement built into these cameras. The instant gratification thing has taken over the world. Making "pro" gear eventually so expensive as to lack of demand we "enthusiasts" (I hate that term but can't come up with something better - semi-pro? that doesn't make it, either.)

And I shudder to think what might happen as soon as driverless cars get in the mix! (will that mean that you will see a bunch of passengers on the highway roll down the window, stick their heads out and go "OOH OOH OHH!"?

Yes the fun of photography may be preserved with the ability for a low level consumer camera to give us quality only a "pro" camera could, in the old days. But where is the satisfaction and interest in learning the SKILLS and mastering the ART?

This reflexive "chimping" thing reminds me of when i am at the range, and am helping a new firearms shooter get started. You spend so much time showing them proper stance and holding the pistol and have them go through the steps, knowing how to line up the sights, deep breath, breath out, then hold the breath and press the trigger. And its a followup, start to breath again and line up your next shot and continue - in the beginning its consistency - getting a good group, not worrying about hitting dead center. In the beginning its how to handle the gun.

(and yeah its kind of the opposite of the decisive moment. With the trigger press rearward, the gun should surprise you when it goes off. But always the newbie with the very first few shots, as soon as the gun goes off, they swing it aside and like a chimp "OOH OOH OHH Did i hit it dead center?" And then have to start over again and have to relearn setting the gun and themselves up. (I try to get 'em to empty the mag before looking.) I then yell at them: STOP CHIMPING LOL

I think immediate review of the image is an important tool. (As for me i was discouraged with film as I had to wait so long for D&P to return and it was too expensive for my enthusiasm.)

Anyway, sorry, ignore me here - just wanted to unload a bit, I'm sure I didn't add anything to the thread. I am not the worlds foremost pistol expert, nor camera.

Now I have to remember to practice what i preach. OOH OOH OOH

- another Jerry

boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander

I never thought about mp counts that way. Does that mean that my 18mp sensor in my 7D would be a 36mp full frame (since the area of a crop frame sensor is 1/2 the area of a full frame)

GoofyNewfie Loc: Kansas City

Chimping in the early days:

Delderby Loc: Derby UK

I think not - I believe (as The Peanut Farmer used to say) that the pixels in FFs are larger, although I may stand to be corrected.

blackest Loc: Ireland

The crop frame is less than half the size of a full frame.
Without worrying about 1/2mm here and there.

The area of a full frame is 24mm by 36mm
a crop sensor 1.5x is 16mm by 24mm

some rough calculations

my K5 is 16Mpix and if it was full frame would be around 36 Mpix same as a K1 or a Nikon D800
the Nikon D500 is around 21Mpix and it would be around 47 Mpix at full frame.
The Canon 5DS is around 51 Mpix.

Now the DX advantage of making a lens appear longer well its not really true the sensor is just smaller and the subject is the same size!
Apply the DX crop to the full frame image and you get pretty much the same as the DX camera.

The kind of odd thing is that the dx view finder magnifies a lot more so you can see your subject easier, but consider that the camera's af system will be looking at an area the same size if it is dx or fx that makes no difference at all in real terms even manually focusing you are probably going to rely on the camera telling you when its in focus.

You can buy a cheaper body with dx and it may have a faster frame rate than fx.

But lens wise most telephoto lenses will be full frame and wide angle is easier with full frame and you can appear to have a shallower depth of field ( you enlarge less with fx). since you enlarge less it also gives more tolerance for lens defects.

Is the premium for a full frame body that much over a good DX body?

LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY

Apparently, the requirements for being a photographer haven't changed any over the years!

GoofyNewfie Loc: Kansas City