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Nov 30, 2016 18:33:27   #
dvier Loc: Hopkinsville Kentucky
 
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Nov 30, 2016 18:38:58   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
dvier wrote:
Eagle was f14 1/1000 ISO 800 200-500@500

Hawk f8 1/3200 ISO 800 200-500@700 with 1.4 converter

A couple of suggestions...

Don't use the extreme long end of the zoom range if possible. Stick to 200-450mm. That will improve the sharpness of your images.

You are shooting with ISO 800, using very short shutter speeds and relatively small apertures. You want
to rearrange that. ISO 800 is not bad, but ISO 100 is better. Ideally you'd always shoot at f/8 or f/11. And with a shutter speed higher than 1/750. Don't turn VR on unless your shutter speed is lower than 1/500.

Perhaps the best way to arrange all of that is by using Manual Exposure Mode, and with Auto ISO enabled. Start with f/8 and 1/1000, and check to see where that puts the ISO. (Go to the Playback menu, select the "Playback display options" submenu, and then select virtually everything except the "None (image only)" option. See page 282 in the manual. Then look at page 261 for how to display the information on the LCD after you've taken a shot.) If the ISO is a reasonable value, continue using those settings. If not you can adjust exposure by changing either the aperture or the shutter speed, keeping in mind of course the various effects that will have.

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Nov 30, 2016 18:52:24   #
dvier Loc: Hopkinsville Kentucky
 
Okay thanks I will try this and check out this info in the manual. I really appreciate all the help!!

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Nov 30, 2016 19:03:44   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
dvier wrote:
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Both of your unedited images show that you have a very nice exposure of the clouds, averaged to make them almost middle grey! That puts the birds in deep shadows, and your camera doesn't have the dynamic range to dig them out...

Lots of folks are going to suggest spot focus. Don't do it. Continue to use center weighted metering, but set the Exposure Compensation to something between +2 to +3.

That would bring your shutter speed down dramatically, and in at least the one case would open up the aperture too. Try to keep the aperture stopped down at least 1/2 stop from wide open, though one full stop is better. Then try to keep the shutter speed above 1/750 without the TC, and above 1/1000 with the TC. If it can't be maintained that high, use less than 1/500 and enable VR.

The range of ISO that is reasonable on a D500 is 100 to 2400. But the higher it is the less latitude for exposure error, so ISO 2400 should be avoided until you can nail it. Stick with less than ISO 1600, which gives you a dynamic range of 7 fstops. That is just about right for viewing on a computer monitor, and perhaps a stop or two more than needed for a paper print. At ISO 800 you get a range of 8 fstops, giving you 1 stop of latitude for adjustment.

That is one heck of a lot of numbers if it's new to you! The simple method is to enable all that information to be shown on the LCD after a shot, and then look at the histogram to see what you are getting. The right side of the histogram for an image with lots of bright sky should be right up against the extreme right edge of the graph. Look at a blinking highlight display, and maybe allow at least a small part of the sky to blink.

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Nov 30, 2016 19:09:36   #
dvier Loc: Hopkinsville Kentucky
 
Good deal! I will try this out. It is a lot to soak in but I'm determined and appreciate the advice

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Nov 30, 2016 19:23:11   #
PAR4DCR Loc: A Sunny Place
 
You have a very fine set up Debbie, I envy you. You have received some very sound advise. Let me tell you that there are many sections to this forum, one of them being Birds-In-Flight. Click on "Home" at the top of the page to see all of the forum's sections. Subscribe to the ones that interest you.

Don

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Nov 30, 2016 19:25:28   #
dvier Loc: Hopkinsville Kentucky
 
Thanks Don I will check them out

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Nov 30, 2016 19:31:03   #
dvier Loc: Hopkinsville Kentucky
 
Thanks I well on my way

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Nov 30, 2016 19:37:08   #
dvier Loc: Hopkinsville Kentucky
 
Gene51 wrote:
Can you post an example or two of your images?

Bird photography is fun and rewarding, but it has it's challenges.

As I read your post, you may have three categories of concern - learning the camera and lens, learning composition, and learning post processing. All three go together to make good photography.

What I have found that works for photographers in your situation is to join a local photography club. There you will likely find at least one person who does bird and wildlife photography. Many club members are either guys (and gals) like yourself, serious enthusiasts or retired professionals, and in general are very happy to share their knowledge.

Before you go out and splurge any more money on tripods or gimbal heads (not pan tilt, which will be clumsy to use), that could cost you as much as your lens alone if you do it right, consider using you camera and lens hand held. It has wonderfully effective stabilization that will get you usable results at extremely slow shutter speeds like the cat image below. I have a remote release, which I have attached to my camera for birding just a handful of times over the years. It's better to learn good long lens technique if you are using your camera on a tripod. It's best to have "full contact" with your camera and lens - this way you can dampen vibrations with our hands and face. You might find this helpful:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8HVPrPzpR4

The other images is a sampling of the kinds of images I have recorded, and all were hand-held.

Your lens is not that different than the one I used for these. It's a little longer and a little slower but still very serviceable and there is no reason why you can't realize your goals with your new gear. For now, as others have suggested, put the 1.7 TC away, and concentrate on your technique. Rather than rely on focal length, try and get closer to your subjects whenever you can. With larger birds, sitting in your car is a great alternative to a blind. Birds are less likely to be spooked by a car than they would by a person.

Birds congregate in a location for food and mating - and they are not going to let a human with a camera stand in their way of getting either or both. A camo lens coat will keep your lens free of scratches and lower the wear and tear.

For birds in flight, practice with pigeons or gulls - both are in ample supply most of the year and are fairly accustomed to people.

Learn the habits of your subjects - I cannot emphasize this enough. It will help you find them and also help you get close.It will take patience and focus (no pun intended) to get you there.
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Thanks for the great advice. Your photos are great that's what I'm striving for

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Nov 30, 2016 19:37:24   #
JCam Loc: MD Eastern Shore
 
In addition to Wayne's advice to stop using the 1.7 converter, if you are shooting with the lens in the 300-500mm range you really should be using a tripod and some sort of remote release. Very few people can hand hold the camera steady enough at 500mm, and with your 1.7 converter, you are at +/- 850 mm.

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Nov 30, 2016 19:54:58   #
dvier Loc: Hopkinsville Kentucky
 
Bugfan wrote:
When I got into digital after film I started with a D70s. That DSLR was designed for the consumer and did a lot of thinking for me. After a while it was time to upgrade so I went for the D200. That move was a shock. This camera took worse pictures than the one I was replacing, I was really disappointed. But then I came to realize that this camera was not for the consumer, it was intended for sophisticated photographers. It allowed me to make all kinds of adjustments including what to do with each image as it was taken and it was my responsibility to decide how I wanted the pictures to be taken.

It was a good six months before I was really happy with my D200 but over that period I became sold that this was truly the camera for me. Since then I got a D3 and a D800 as well and both went through the same process of making adjustments until each camera performed according to my expectations. The adjustment period was faster since I had learned from the D200 but it was still necessary. I should say too that I am still using the D200 as well, it's my travel camera.

Your D500 is not a typical consumer toy, it doesn't think for you as cameras like the D3xxx and the D5xxx do. For that extra effort however you are rewarded with outstanding images. So learn what's in your menu structure and what it does and before long your D500 will astonish you.

The other thing to consider is some software. A cheap solution is Adobe Photoshop Elements, a bit more sophisticated would be Adobe Lightroom and at the top of the list would be Adobe Photoshop. I would start with Elements so you can learn the controls and the options and master the language of digital too. Adobe products are not exactly user friendly most of time so you're in for a learning curve, Then as you become more demanding and sophisticated you can also upgrade your software. There was a limit to what we could do with film after processing. I shot slides so what I got is what I had to live with. But with digital there is an awesome variety of things you can do with an image and these tools then contribute to the overall product you produce with your camera.

Finally, keep it simple as you learn. Pick an adjustment and take pictures changing the adjustment as you go along. This will help you master each option and control. Don't be afraid to push beyond the camera's choices too, that's a way to become more creative. And note your issues, then try to find a solution for each issue. Through this step by step process you will intuitively be able to work everything and your pictures will become award winning.

Good luck!
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Thanks and I did have the d3300 and there is definitely a learning curve that I'm trying to get through. I appreciate your advice

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Nov 30, 2016 19:58:19   #
dvier Loc: Hopkinsville Kentucky
 
BillA wrote:
I am also a bird photographer. I shoot with the 200-500 and have for about a year (although I use a D7200 body). This is simply a great lens. It is very sharp at all focal lengths and all apertures. I use it hand held (Nikon says 4 or 4.5 stops of stabilization). I cannot use a tripod even with the gimbal head. The 1.4 multiplier does maintain auto focus but is useless when photographing very small, quickly moving birds like warblers, vireos, etc - those that tend to hide in the canopy and hop quickly from branch to branch. The multiplier is very useful at shore birds such as Egrets and Herons that tend to stand and watch and wade after their targets. You can get some startling pix there and also at rookeries where your tripod would be helpful (I still handhold there). I do use auto focus although most pros recommend against it. With my age, eyesight and reflexes I am just not fast enough any more to be effective. I have been extremely over the 5 years that I have been birding with the AF. The D500 (and the 7000 series of Nikons) provide so much capability and variability in the focus modes and patterns (AFS, AFA, AFC - single point (moveable), 9, 21, 51 group). The shutter fire-rate and buffer size on the 500 is superb. I think I would trade the 1.7 extender for the 1.4 after all the D500 is a "C" sensor which gives you about a 1.5 crop factor. With the 1.4 and the crop factor the 500 lens becomes about 1100 mm. I agree with a previous comment about patience in birding. Also a heck of a lot of luck in sightings helps! All the best and good birding!
I am also a bird photographer. I shoot with the 2... (show quote)

Thank you! I do have the 1.4 not sure why I put 1.7 in original post. I do love my camera and sometimes I'm happy with my shoots but just striving for sharp colorful images but not there yet. Thanks for any and all advice.

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Nov 30, 2016 20:01:13   #
whitewolfowner
 
Djedi wrote:
Wow! Talk about buying a camera/lens you can grow into! I started with a Kodak Starmite II! (see below)

There's not really too much I can add, since most people here have already given you a lot of good advice. (Note: MOST). I would agree to ditch the 1.7X in favor of a 1.4X. I also own a Kenko Pro 1.4X and 2X, both of which have their uses, but not for someone not completely familiar/comfortable with the equipment. Results will be hit or miss at best.

But I agree that if you want to get the most out of this forum, the best (most painful ?) way to proceed is to post a couple of pictures that you have been most disappointed with. Then give forum members exposure information (ISO used, f-stop, shutter speed, lens zoom focal length at time of exposure, tripod?, light level (ie: just before dark, etc), and anything else that might seem important.
Much of this information can be gathered (if you don't remember it) by a program that can read EXIF information (pertinent data embedded in the image file). My personal favorite is located here and it is free: http://www.faststone.org/FSViewerDetail.htm This is also a good batch resizing / editing program and the price is right! In spite of using Photoshop and Lightroom, I still find faststone extremely useful. The most important for me is the batch resizing option which allows me to take my large originals and bring them down to size for web publication (ie: here!). It also lets you hover the cursor over an image and see the EXIF info. If you have difficulty with this, just PM me and I can help.
In any case, when you post, you WILL get much criticism, so put your alligator skin on, but you will also get many useful suggestions that will speed up your learning process. Other than being out there in the field with you, it is your best (least expensive) chance to get individual attention from many "teachers".
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I remember those.....ughhh.....those were the days thou...when we were so ignorant of equipment and the art.

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Nov 30, 2016 20:04:04   #
dvier Loc: Hopkinsville Kentucky
 
Djedi wrote:
Wow! Talk about buying a camera/lens you can grow into! I started with a Kodak Starmite II! (see below)

There's not really too much I can add, since most people here have already given you a lot of good advice. (Note: MOST). I would agree to ditch the 1.7X in favor of a 1.4X. I also own a Kenko Pro 1.4X and 2X, both of which have their uses, but not for someone not completely familiar/comfortable with the equipment. Results will be hit or miss at best.

But I agree that if you want to get the most out of this forum, the best (most painful ?) way to proceed is to post a couple of pictures that you have been most disappointed with. Then give forum members exposure information (ISO used, f-stop, shutter speed, lens zoom focal length at time of exposure, tripod?, light level (ie: just before dark, etc), and anything else that might seem important.
Much of this information can be gathered (if you don't remember it) by a program that can read EXIF information (pertinent data embedded in the image file). My personal favorite is located here and it is free: http://www.faststone.org/FSViewerDetail.htm This is also a good batch resizing / editing program and the price is right! In spite of using Photoshop and Lightroom, I still find faststone extremely useful. The most important for me is the batch resizing option which allows me to take my large originals and bring them down to size for web publication (ie: here!). It also lets you hover the cursor over an image and see the EXIF info. If you have difficulty with this, just PM me and I can help.
In any case, when you post, you WILL get much criticism, so put your alligator skin on, but you will also get many useful suggestions that will speed up your learning process. Other than being out there in the field with you, it is your best (least expensive) chance to get individual attention from many "teachers".
Wow! Talk about buying a camera/lens you can grow ... (show quote)


Thank you I will check this out. I download a couple that is about what most of my shoots look like. "gloomy". I appreciate any and all help

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Nov 30, 2016 20:05:40   #
dvier Loc: Hopkinsville Kentucky
 
Thanks!

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