Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

"What is democratic socialism? What makes it different than regular socialism? Has it been tried? Could it work in the United States? Comedian and political commentator Steven Crowder, host of Louder With Crowder, explains."

https://www.prageru.com/courses/political-science/democratic-socialism-still-socialism

Hungry Venezuelans Flee in Boats to Escape Economic Collapse

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/25/world/americas/hungry-venezuelans-flee-in-boats-to-escape-economic-collapse.html?smprod=nytcore-ipad&smid=nytcore-ipad-share&mtrref&mtrref=undefined&gwh=457F34C671CC28BD9DB7C40DD7214AD0&gwt=pay

green Loc: 22.1749611,-159.646704,20

our military is a socialist organization.... are you in favor of a privatized military for the USA?

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

The US military is not really a socialist program as it is a Meritocracy, but this is not about socialist programs as it is about a socialist government and economy. We as a country benefit from both social programs along with Capitalism, I have no problems with us incorporating these two as we now do....it works for us.

green Loc: 22.1749611,-159.646704,20

a socialist government is one where the government owns the means of production... this is a very real and significant difference between a socialist government and democratic socialism.

...nobody is talking about the government owning any means of production, Bernie's crowd is simply talking about the socialist programs similar to the ones you have no problem with.

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

Socialism and Democratic socialism is the same thing as was explained in the presentation in the video just clothed with a slightly different term. Either way, socialist governments tend to fail and destroy economies in the mid to long term range.

gmcase Loc: Galt's Gulch

When the economic oppression becomes great enough the Makers disappear leaving it up to Takers to feed themselves. It never ends well.

green Loc: 22.1749611,-159.646704,20

what are you talking about? Hopefully you do not consider the former USSR, Cuba, north Korea and China to be socialist governments. These countries all have totalitarian dictatorships and the fantasy you spin about takers and makers never happened in any of those countries.... a rich powerful elite lived off the backs of the populace... just like most governments, ours included.

Now let's look at the democratic socialist countries, you will find the best education, healthcare and standards of living:

http://www.commondreams.org/further/2009/05/11/worlds-happiest-countries-social-democracies
https://www.thenation.com/article/after-i-lived-in-norway-america-felt-backward-heres-why/

here's the most socialist countries in the world today:

China.
Denmark.
Finland.
Netherlands.
Canada.
Sweden.
Norway.
Ireland.

other than China, they are all social democracies and have better education, better healthcare and a higher degree of happiness than the USA.


bottom line:

gmcase Loc: Galt's Gulch

What am I talking about? My comment was short and to the point and extremely easy to understand. If you can't undesrtand it I won't waste time trying to expalin such a simple concept to you.

green Loc: 22.1749611,-159.646704,20

please take the time... what country are you talking about...or are you just talking theoretically? What country with its takers and makers got destroyed by democratic socialism? Or are you simply spewing Fox news opinions about what could possibly happen here?

oh... and just for future reference, when you impugn someone's intelligence simply for having a different viewpoint than you, make sure you use spellcheck.... it carries a bit more weight.

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

Just like socialism, a car will always run pretty well with a full tank until it runs out of that fuel. Just like the socialist country runs very well and efficiently while there's some money but eventually you run out of other people's money and then it fails. "Socialism is the Big Lie of the twentieth century. While it promised prosperity, e******y, and security, it delivered poverty, misery, and tyranny. E******y was achieved only in the sense that everyone was equal in his or her misery."

In the same way that a Ponzi scheme or chain letter initially succeeds but eventually collapses, socialism may show early signs of success. But any accomplishments quickly fade as the fundamental deficiencies of central planning emerge. It is the initial illusion of success that gives government intervention its pernicious, seductive appeal. In the long run, socialism has always proven to be a formula for tyranny and misery.

A pyramid scheme is ultimately unsustainable because it is based on faulty principles. Likewise, collectivism is unsustainable in the long run because it is a flawed theory. Socialism does not work because it is not consistent with fundamental principles of human behavior. The failure of socialism in countries around the world can be traced to one critical defect: it is a system that ignores incentives.

In a capitalist economy, incentives are of the utmost importance. Market prices, the profit-and-loss system of accounting, and private property rights provide an efficient, interrelated system of incentives to guide and direct economic behavior. Capitalism is based on the theory that incentives matter!

Under socialism, incentives either play a minimal role or are ignored totally. A centrally planned economy without market prices or profits, where property is owned by the state, is a system without an effective incentive mechanism to direct economic activity. By failing to emphasize incentives, socialism is a theory inconsistent with human nature and is therefore doomed to fail. Socialism is based on the theory that incentives don’t matter!"...... https://fee.org/articles/why-socialism-failed/

Shutterbugsailer Loc: Staten Island NY (AKA Cincinnati by the Sea)

And Socialism is to C*******m what making out and copping a feel are to getting laid

green Loc: 22.1749611,-159.646704,20

it's hard to argue with cut'n'paste, but please tell me where the democratic socialist experiment has failed... which countries have gone through the pain of the takers taking all from the makers? Is this a real country of just a theory?.. answer in your own words if you can.

gmcase Loc: Galt's Gulch

You are not cogent enough to take seriously.

mwalsh Loc: Houston

Seems like Green is asking a pretty straight forward question...

I would love to hear some sincere answers as well.

letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.

Just a guess but possibly those countries do not have the costly welfare that we have. Will check later, nap time.