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Nov 22, 2016 08:05:14   #
WessoJPEG Loc: Cincinnati, Ohio
 
Billyspad wrote:
I believe your motive was right and good but the examples not so great. The jpeg image taken into a good editing program, I took it into Camera Raw, reveal as much detail in the Jpeg as you have in the Raw file.


My reaction also.

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Nov 22, 2016 08:12:43   #
JCam Loc: MD Eastern Shore
 
JD750 wrote:
You are very welcome. I'm glad you enjoyed it and felt a burning need to reply with your scartistic comment.

EXIF info is included in the images.

I knew it was a mistake to post here, just because of comments like this. I'm outta here.


"I knew it was a mistake to post here, just because of comments like this. I'm outta here."

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Nov 22, 2016 08:13:27   #
streetmarty Loc: Brockton, Ma
 
JD750 wrote:
You are very welcome. I'm glad you enjoyed it and felt a burning need to reply with your scartistic comment.

EXIF info is included in the images.

I knew it was a mistake to post here, just because of comments like this. I'm outta here.


We have a gazillion members and some can be harsh. Although not the best shots for your example your heart was in the right place in that you are trying to help people. Instead of getting "outta here" maybe just come right back with a better example? I also agree with Jimbo70 and the Fuji analysis. I bought an X-T1 and the jpegs are perfect SOOC!!

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Nov 22, 2016 08:24:02   #
WessoJPEG Loc: Cincinnati, Ohio
 
JCam wrote:
"I knew it was a mistake to post here, just because of comments like this. I'm outta here."


Wahhhhh!

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Nov 22, 2016 08:27:49   #
WessoJPEG Loc: Cincinnati, Ohio
 
jimbo70 wrote:
I had a Panny GH2 and it produced the worse Jpeg images of any camera I have ever owned. So working with raw will certainly be an advantage. I now have a Fuji X100S and those that do take the time to work with raw find it difficult to get better images than there Fuji's will produce OOC Jpegs.



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Nov 22, 2016 08:44:20   #
Desert Gecko Loc: desert southwest, USA
 
After I bought my first DSLR I shot jpeg only. I didn't use Lightroom and barely knew how to use an old version of PhotoShop to crop an image. Now that I use Lightroom and Photoshop regularly, I shoot raw - and I'm glad I do. Actually, I shoot raw + jpeg. My camera gets it right more often than not, so I can use a jpeg for a quick share of Facebook upload - and the jpegs make better thumbs than the raw to choose some for post.

I have several good images from my first year or so with a DSLR that I've gone back to process, but I'm very limited with the jpegs. Some of the shots are very nice, but they aren't quite right. I strongly suggest shooting in raw = jpeg even if you won't use the raw files now. You might want to some day and regret it, as I do.

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Nov 22, 2016 08:49:38   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
JD750 wrote:
This post is for those who are new to photography and might ask "why shoot raw vs jpeg"? I know it's been done before but every now and then it's nice to repeat a theme for the newer people to the site to see. If you are reading this and know which format you like and why you like it you can stop reading now.

For those still reading, I inadvertently left the camera on raw+JPEG rather than just raw, so I ended up with both sets and I thought, why not use them to illustrate to others who are curious the differences between the formats.

First a disclaimer: I shoot jpeg often. I like the format. It is a fine format. I will also shoot raw when the situation warrants. Everybody has their preference, based on the camera, skill level, what they like to shoot. For those starting, out they will want make their own decisions. First when switching to raw from JPEG, chords are not going to play from the heavens. There is a slight difference, but that difference can be worth the effort in some cases.

The attached are snapshots of a lenticular cloud. I want to bring out detail of the cloud and Mt Rose in the background. Here in this image, based on the scene, the camera's auto exposure function slightly overexposed the clouds. Note the blown highlights in the JPEG image, and by the way, that cannot be 'fixed' in post (not that you would have to if the clouds were exposed correctly). But see how the raw image has captured additional texture and detail in the clouds. Bear in mind, there is a very fine line between overexposure and good exposure, and and shooting raw is no substitute for good exposure. But it can help, as you can see below.
This post is for those who are new to photography ... (show quote)


Actually both are pretty crappy.

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Nov 22, 2016 08:51:20   #
dlmorris Loc: Loma Linda, Ca
 
I was glad for his examples. It is a topic I'm interested in, because I want to see the difference as well. And he admitted himself that the pictures weren't the best, but it was an example of what could be done. I'm sad that some have to make such mean comments. Why not just keep quiet and let us beginners learn. Instead of making unkind comments, why not post some comparison examples of your own?

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Nov 22, 2016 08:54:45   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
streetmarty wrote:
We have a gazillion members and some can be harsh. Although not the best shots for your example your heart was in the right place in that you are trying to help people. Instead of getting "outta here" maybe just come right back with a better example? I also agree with Jimbo70 and the Fuji analysis. I bought an X-T1 and the jpegs are perfect SOOC!!


Harsh is one word for it, there are probably better. Some are harsh all the time, some are part time but the majority of folk tend to be quietly listening and appreciate the better posts on here.

Some people want to learn, some contribute, some want to troll some are just expressing their discomfort with life and what little time they have remaining. Unfortunately some people are bitter and twisted and act out but it is a vocal minority they poke everything with a stick just to get a reaction, they are probably too old to change now. It is their problem so don't take no notice since they too will pass eventually :)

After all we are just entering Winter and statistically bitter twisted old men are far more likely not to make it to Spring than the rest of us...

Maybe interesting to see who self identifies as a bitter twisted old man :)

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Nov 22, 2016 08:56:23   #
dcampbell52 Loc: Clearwater Fl
 
Desert Gecko wrote:
After I bought my first DSLR I shot jpeg only. I didn't use Lightroom and barely knew how to use an old version of PhotoShop to crop an image. Now that I use Lightroom and Photoshop regularly, I shoot raw - and I'm glad I do. Actually, I shoot raw + jpeg. My camera gets it right more often than not, so I can use a jpeg for a quick share of Facebook upload - and the jpegs make better thumbs than the raw to choose some for post.

I have several good images from my first year or so with a DSLR that I've gone back to process, but I'm very limited with the jpegs. Some of the shots are very nice, but they aren't quite right. I strongly suggest shooting in raw = jpeg even if you won't use the raw files now. You might want to some day and regret it, as I do.
After I bought my first DSLR I shot jpeg only. I d... (show quote)


I agree totally. I generally shoot RAW only or RAW + Jpeg (occasionally) and mainly if they are for "instant" publication or being submitted to a newspaper/publication either print or online. My RAW/NEF images get worked over in Lightroom to be printed for sale (all of my real estate shots are RAW first and then after I process them converted to JPEG for their use in their websites and multi-listings.
Personally, I prefer RAW as it seems to give me more control in editing (similar to my old darkroom film/enlarger days.

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Nov 22, 2016 09:02:19   #
streetmarty Loc: Brockton, Ma
 
blackest wrote:
Harsh is one word for it, there are probably better. Some are harsh all the time, some are part time but the majority of folk tend to be quietly listening and appreciate the better posts on here.

Some people want to learn, some contribute, some want to troll some are just expressing their discomfort with life and what little time they have remaining. Unfortunately some people are bitter and twisted and act out but it is a vocal minority they poke everything with a stick just to get a reaction, they are probably too old to change now. It is their problem so don't take no notice since they too will pass eventually :)

After all we are just entering Winter and statistically bitter twisted old men are far more likely not to make it to Spring than the rest of us...

Maybe interesting to see who self identifies as a bitter twisted old man :)
Harsh is one word for it, there are probably bette... (show quote)




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Nov 22, 2016 09:22:16   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
JD750 wrote:
This post is for those who are new to photography and might ask "why shoot raw vs jpeg"? I know it's been done before but every now and then it's nice to repeat a theme for the newer people to the site to see. If you are reading this and know which format you like and why you like it you can stop reading now.

For those still reading, I inadvertently left the camera on raw+JPEG rather than just raw, so I ended up with both sets and I thought, why not use them to illustrate to others who are curious the differences between the formats.

First a disclaimer: I shoot jpeg often. I like the format. It is a fine format. I will also shoot raw when the situation warrants. Everybody has their preference, based on the camera, skill level, what they like to shoot. For those starting, out they will want make their own decisions. First when switching to raw from JPEG, chords are not going to play from the heavens. There is a slight difference, but that difference can be worth the effort in some cases.

The attached are snapshots of a lenticular cloud. I want to bring out detail of the cloud and Mt Rose in the background. Here in this image, based on the scene, the camera's auto exposure function slightly overexposed the clouds. Note the blown highlights in the JPEG image, and by the way, that cannot be 'fixed' in post (not that you would have to if the clouds were exposed correctly). But see how the raw image has captured additional texture and detail in the clouds. Bear in mind, there is a very fine line between overexposure and good exposure, and and shooting raw is no substitute for good exposure. But it can help, as you can see below.
This post is for those who are new to photography ... (show quote)


Thanks. Nice showing the difference (that I already know and understand), but to me the original RAW+JPG shot is still over exposed, and (massively) in the clouds. I'd have EC down a stop or more and then bring the Brightness back up in PP. Ideal would be HDR. There can be a lot of details in clouds. I understand your main point here was showing the JPG vs RAW difference, but there can be a huge difference, especially if you go to 32-bit RAW processing as a PSD or TIFF file. JPG are always 8-bit only in addition to being lossy and compressed.

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Nov 22, 2016 09:25:37   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
These images stand on their own. There's no reason to provide camera settings, or even camera used. The only thing that matters is the print, in our case the final image. The camera and settings are immaterial. It's the photographer's skill and knowledge of technique that matters. That is, unless one is so less skilled that the only thing that seems important is numbers which that person can't interpret either.
--Bob


Jim Bob wrote:
Well thanks for proving absolutely nothing, especially without providing camera settings.

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Nov 22, 2016 09:26:32   #
WessoJPEG Loc: Cincinnati, Ohio
 
leftj wrote:
Actually both are pretty crappy.



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Nov 22, 2016 09:29:17   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Good work, JD750, in the effort to illustrate the advantages of RAW. I'm sure this will bring out the usual crowd and discussion regarding the advantages of RAW and pushing the exposure to the right.
--Bob


JD750 wrote:
This post is for those who are new to photography and might ask "why shoot raw vs jpeg"? I know it's been done before but every now and then it's nice to repeat a theme for the newer people to the site to see. If you are reading this and know which format you like and why you like it you can stop reading now.

For those still reading, I inadvertently left the camera on raw+JPEG rather than just raw, so I ended up with both sets and I thought, why not use them to illustrate to others who are curious the differences between the formats.

First a disclaimer: I shoot jpeg often. I like the format. It is a fine format. I will also shoot raw when the situation warrants. Everybody has their preference, based on the camera, skill level, what they like to shoot. For those starting, out they will want make their own decisions. First when switching to raw from JPEG, chords are not going to play from the heavens. There is a slight difference, but that difference can be worth the effort in some cases.

The attached are snapshots of a lenticular cloud. I want to bring out detail of the cloud and Mt Rose in the background. Here in this image, based on the scene, the camera's auto exposure function slightly overexposed the clouds. Note the blown highlights in the JPEG image, and by the way, that cannot be 'fixed' in post (not that you would have to if the clouds were exposed correctly). But see how the raw image has captured additional texture and detail in the clouds. Bear in mind, there is a very fine line between overexposure and good exposure, and and shooting raw is no substitute for good exposure. But it can help, as you can see below.
This post is for those who are new to photography ... (show quote)

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