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London's Killer For of 1952
Nov 16, 2016 09:23:30   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Scientists have figured out what made the fog of 1952 so deadly.

http://gizmodo.com/we-finally-know-how-londons-famous-killer-fog-formed-1789015786

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Nov 16, 2016 10:05:53   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Scientists have figured out what made the fog (smog) of 1952 so deadly.

http://gizmodo.com/we-finally-know-how-londons-famous-killer-fog-formed-1789015786


Yes, not good to breathe Sulfuric Acid! This is one reason Sulfur containing gasoline is not allowed to be used in California, especially not in L.A. L.A.'s smog was caused mostly by un-burnt hydrocarbons and odd nitrogen oxide compounds such as Nitric oxide and Nitrogen dioxide. Now my eye don't burn half the time like they did in the sixties and seventies, today the L.A. smog is only bad a few days per year. More cars, but clean cars! Low quality Oil often contains sulfur -- not good.

Who would have thought London could be like the planet Venus!


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Nov 17, 2016 06:18:14   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
Lol...the article explains how a series of events led to a one time disaster and that "in theory" it "could" happen again and then at the end it's happy that this event led to clean air laws and hopes that it will be "the impetus for ridding the world of coal".

You can't get around this loony environmental propaganda no matter where you go.

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Nov 17, 2016 06:47:40   #
John N Loc: HP14 3QF Stokenchurch, UK
 
I can't remember this (born 1954) but I can remember many other fogs and they continued through and beyond starting school in September 1958. The 'clean air' act was instigated, there were no ifs and buts your fire was replaced with a more efficient glass fronted burner. You could pay a few bob extra for a different tiled surround, but choice of burners was limited to whatever your local authority had signed a contract for. I think it was basically free, as officials then realised that spending on this would be more than compensated by savings on health care. But this was in the time when officials dealt with problems not budget sheets.

Best things I remember were parents picking kids up from school (those that could find their way there) because you couldn't see across the road, and fog dampened any vehicular noise - not that there was much of that around then. And listening to the venerable London bus (RT series) trundling past the house - but not being able to see any lights. For a 5 y.o. it was bordering on fun.

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Nov 17, 2016 07:51:26   #
shagbat Loc: London
 
John N wrote:
I can't remember this (born 1954) but I can remember many other fogs and they continued through and beyond starting school in September 1958. The 'clean air' act was instigated, there were no ifs and buts your fire was replaced with a more efficient glass fronted burner. You could pay a few bob extra for a different tiled surround, but choice of burners was limited to whatever your local authority had signed a contract for. I think it was basically free, as officials then realised that spending on this would be more than compensated by savings on health care. But this was in the time when officials dealt with problems not budget sheets.

Best things I remember were parents picking kids up from school (those that could find their way there) because you couldn't see across the road, and fog dampened any vehicular noise - not that there was much of that around then. And listening to the venerable London bus (RT series) trundling past the house - but not being able to see any lights. For a 5 y.o. it was bordering on fun.
I can't remember this (born 1954) but I can rememb... (show quote)


I950, Me John, I remember the smog hurting my ears, because I wasn't holding the handkerchief over my face as Mum had instructed! That would be just off the City road. London at that time had many chemical plants etc. These no longer exist and haven't done for years. Big probs. come from vehicles now. In those days of course Father Thames was classified as 'dead' and polluted. There are salmon in it now.

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Nov 17, 2016 08:39:00   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
rpavich wrote:
Lol...the article explains how a series of events led to a one time disaster and that "in theory" it "could" happen again and then at the end it's happy that this event led to clean air laws and hopes that it will be "the impetus for ridding the world of coal".

You can't get around this loony environmental propaganda no matter where you go.


This coming from a man in coal countryl.

No offense intended.

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Nov 17, 2016 10:51:47   #
Duggy
 
Is there anything in California not regulated , I hope they do succeed out of the US like soon. Please take Hillary and the Control freaks with you build a wall surrounding the most , off course and highest State to survive in. Everything is bassackward there.

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Nov 17, 2016 14:14:15   #
Colin Holmes Loc: Luton England
 
Yes I remember this as a 10year old, travelling from Luton to St Pancras station, then walking to a hospital in Queens square to visit my father.
I remember seeing the bus conductors walking ahead of the bus with a light for the driver to follow.
Walking along Grays Inn Road, with people walking with a torch to see where they were going, easy to bump into someone coming the other way.
For me something I have never forgotten, a journey we made once a week for 10 months.

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Nov 17, 2016 14:23:45   #
shagbat Loc: London
 
Colin Holmes wrote:
Yes I remember this as a 10year old, travelling from Luton to St Pancras station, then walking to a hospital in Queens square to visit my father.
I remember seeing the bus conductors walking ahead of the bus with a light for the driver to follow.
Walking along Grays Inn Road, with people walking with a torch to see where they were going, easy to bump into someone coming the other way.
For me something I have never forgotten, a journey we made once a week for 10 months.


Trolley buses Col? Grays Inn Rd is only a few hundred metres from the area I was speaking of.

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Nov 17, 2016 16:34:26   #
Colin Holmes Loc: Luton England
 
Yes quite possibly, they were red is the only thing I can now say. It was the yellow glow from the torches/lamps? coming through the smog that really sticks in my mind. And the long walk for a 10 yr old to the hospital in Queens sq then back to St Pancras.

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Nov 17, 2016 19:13:56   #
shagbat Loc: London
 
Colin Holmes wrote:
Yes quite possibly, they were red is the only thing I can now say. It was the yellow glow from the torches/lamps? coming through the smog that really sticks in my mind. And the long walk for a 10 yr old to the hospital in Queens sq then back to St Pancras.


The yellow lights I do remember, they were gas lamps. We had a one bedroom flat near Kings X and I often watched the lamp lighter on his rounds. I have quite vivid memories of my childhood, they are good!

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