Not quite over yet.
Nov 14, 2016 23:58:31 #
Szalajj wrote:
So, you're OK with a part time President? br br h... (show quote)
My guess is that Obama didn't know the scope of the president's job when he took over either. I don't for a minute believe that those around Trump didn't know they could replace everyone in the white house with people of their own choosing.
Nov 14, 2016 23:58:42 #
Racmanaz
Loc: Sunny Tucson!
letmedance wrote:
We have a Part time president now. Part of the time he is working, par of the time he is vacationing, part of the time he is golfing, part of the time he is campaigning. Seriously though, I will just sit and wait and watch and if he is a Screw up I will join you and raise hell.
Liberals are in such denial that they are still insanely optimistic about counting more v**es to see how much she didn't lose!!! either way, Trump will be sitting pretty in the White House! lol
Nov 15, 2016 00:00:58 #
Szalajj wrote:
http://www.al.com/articles/19669722/popular_v**e_totals_for_presid_1.amp
As the final v**e tallies continue to flow in, it's currently showing that Clinton won the popular v**e by 766,920, and increasing!
As the final v**e tallies continue to flow in, it's currently showing that Clinton won the popular v**e by 766,920, and increasing!
So you are saying she didn't lose by as much as first reported? But she still lost didn't she?
Nov 15, 2016 00:01:04 #
Racmanaz
Loc: Sunny Tucson!
Liberals in California are still awaiting for the illegal b****ts to arrive in Cali to tally the v**es lol
Nov 15, 2016 00:03:46 #
Racmanaz
Loc: Sunny Tucson!
Wenonah wrote:
So you are saying she didn't lose by as much as first reported? But she still lost didn't she?
Didn't Trump win 2/3rds of the v**es? He won more E*******l collage v**es and more number of states than Hillary, Hillary allegedly won ONLY the popular v**es...TRUMP still wins lol
Nov 15, 2016 00:11:31 #
Szalajj
Loc: Salem, NH
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E*******l_College_(United_States)
"Popular v**e not determinative
See also: List of United States p**********l e******ns where winner lost popular v**e
The e******ns of 1876, 1888, 2000, and 2016[102] produced an E*******l College winner who did not receive at least a plurality of the nationwide popular v**e.[103] In 1824, there were six states in which e*****rs were legislatively appointed, rather than popularly elected, so the true national popular v**e is uncertain. When no candidate received a majority of e*******l v**es in 1824, the e******n was decided by the House of Representatives and so could be considered distinct from the latter four e******ns in which all of the states had popular se******n of e*****rs.[104] The true national popular v**e was also uncertain in the 1960 e******n, and the plurality for the winner depends on how v**es for Alabama e*****rs are allocated.[105]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_p**********l_e******ns_where_winner_lost_popular_v**e
"E******ns
1824: John Quincy Adams (Democratic-Republican) vs Andrew Jackson (Democrat)
In the 1824 p**********l e******n John Quincy Adams was elected President on February 9, 1825. The e******n was decided by the House of Representatives under the provisions of Twelfth Amendment to the United States Constitution after no candidate secured the required number of v**es from the E*******l College. All four candidates in the e******n identified with the Democratic-Republican Party. Andrew Jackson had received the most v**es and e*******l v**es, but he did not become President. This became a source of great bitterness for Jackson and his supporters, who proclaimed the e******n of Adams a "corrupt bargain" and were inspired to create the Democratic Party.[1][2]
1876: Rutherford B. Hayes (Republican) vs Samuel J. Tilden (Democrat)
The 1876 p**********l e******n was one of the most contentious and controversial p**********l e******ns in American history. The results of the e******n remain among the most disputed ever, although there is no question that Democrat Samuel J. Tilden of New York outpolled Ohio's Republican Rutherford B. Hayes in the popular v**e. After a first count of v**es, Tilden won 184 e*******l v**es to Hayes's 165, with 20 v**es unresolved. These 20 e*******l v**es were in dispute in four states: in the case of Florida, Louisiana, and South Carolina, each party reported its candidate had won the state, while in Oregon one e*****r was declared illegal (as an "elected or appointed official") and replaced. The question of who should have been awarded these e*******l v**es is the source of the continued controversy concerning the results of this e******n.
An informal deal was struck to resolve the dispute: the Compromise of 1877, which awarded all 20 e*******l v**es to Hayes. In return for the Democrats' acquiescence in Hayes's e******n, the Republicans agreed to withdraw federal troops from the South, ending Reconstruction. The Compromise effectively ceded power in the Southern states to the Democratic Redeemers, who went on to pursue their agenda of returning the South to a political economy resembling that of its pre-war condition, including the disenfranchisement of black v**ers.[3][4]
1888: Benjamin Harrison (Republican) vs Grover Cleveland (Democrat)
The 1888 contest saw Grover Cleveland of New York, the incumbent president and a Democrat, try to secure a second term against the Republican nominee Benjamin Harrison, a former U.S. Senator from Indiana. The economy was prosperous and the nation was at peace, but Cleveland lost re-e******n in the E*******l College, even though he won a plurality of the popular v**e by a narrow margin.
Tariff policy was the principal issue in the e******n. Harrison took the side of industrialists and factory workers who wanted to keep tariffs high, while Cleveland strenuously denounced high tariffs as unfair to consumers. His opposition to Civil War pensions and inflated currency also made enemies among veterans and farmers. On the other hand, he held a strong hand in the South and border states, and appealed to former Republican Mugwumps.
Harrison swept almost the entire North and Midwest (losing only Connecticut and New Jersey), and narrowly carried the swing states of New York (Cleveland's home state) and Indiana (Harrison's home state) by a margin of 1% or less to achieve a majority of the e*******l v**e. Unlike the e******n of 1884, the power of the Tammany Hall political machine in New York City helped deny Cleveland the e*******l v**es of his home state.[5]
2000: George W. Bush (Republican) vs Al Gore (Democrat)
The 2000 p**********l e******n was between Republican candidate George W. Bush, the incumbent governor of Texas and son of former president George H. W. Bush, and Democratic candidate Al Gore, the incumbent Vice President. Despite Gore receiving 543,895 more v**es (0.51% of all v**es cast), Bush was elected president.[6]
Vice President Gore was able to secure the Democratic nomination with relative ease. Bush was seen as the early favorite for the Republican nomination, and despite a contentious primary battle with Senator John McCain and other candidates, secured the nomination by Super Tuesday. Many third party candidates also ran, most prominently Ralph Nader. Bush chose former Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney as his running mate, and Gore chose Senator Joe Lieberman as his. Both major party candidates focused primarily on domestic issues, such as the budget, tax relief, and reforms for federal social insurance programs, though foreign policy was not ignored.[7]
The result of the e******n hinged on Florida, where the margin of victory triggered a mandatory recount. Litigation in select counties started additional recounts, and this litigation ultimately reached the United States Supreme Court. The Court's contentious decision in Bush v. Gore, announced on December 12, 2000, ended the recounts, effectively awarding Florida's v**es to Bush and granting him the victory. Later studies have reached conflicting opinions on who would have won the recount had it been allowed to proceed.[8] George Bush received 50,456,002 v**es (47.87%) and Gore received 50,999,897 (48.38%).[6]
2016: Donald J. Trump (Republican) vs Hillary Clinton (Democrat)
When the United States E*******l College casts their e*******l v**es in December 2016,[9] they will most likely confirm the win in the 2016 e******n by Donald Trump. As of November 2016 (11/13/ at 04:39 EST), Hillary Clinton had received more than 600,000 more v**es in the general e******n than Trump giving Clinton a 0.5-percentage-point popular v**e lead over Donald Trump.[10]"
But there is the possibility that Clinton could be confirmed over Trump! The last total that I can find is that Clinton is leading the Popular v**e by 766,920 v**es!
Each time that there has been a break between the Popular V**e and the E*******l V**e, the Republican has been awarded the White house! Florida has played a key roll in 3 of those 5 e******ns!
"Popular v**e not determinative
See also: List of United States p**********l e******ns where winner lost popular v**e
The e******ns of 1876, 1888, 2000, and 2016[102] produced an E*******l College winner who did not receive at least a plurality of the nationwide popular v**e.[103] In 1824, there were six states in which e*****rs were legislatively appointed, rather than popularly elected, so the true national popular v**e is uncertain. When no candidate received a majority of e*******l v**es in 1824, the e******n was decided by the House of Representatives and so could be considered distinct from the latter four e******ns in which all of the states had popular se******n of e*****rs.[104] The true national popular v**e was also uncertain in the 1960 e******n, and the plurality for the winner depends on how v**es for Alabama e*****rs are allocated.[105]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_p**********l_e******ns_where_winner_lost_popular_v**e
"E******ns
1824: John Quincy Adams (Democratic-Republican) vs Andrew Jackson (Democrat)
In the 1824 p**********l e******n John Quincy Adams was elected President on February 9, 1825. The e******n was decided by the House of Representatives under the provisions of Twelfth Amendment to the United States Constitution after no candidate secured the required number of v**es from the E*******l College. All four candidates in the e******n identified with the Democratic-Republican Party. Andrew Jackson had received the most v**es and e*******l v**es, but he did not become President. This became a source of great bitterness for Jackson and his supporters, who proclaimed the e******n of Adams a "corrupt bargain" and were inspired to create the Democratic Party.[1][2]
1876: Rutherford B. Hayes (Republican) vs Samuel J. Tilden (Democrat)
The 1876 p**********l e******n was one of the most contentious and controversial p**********l e******ns in American history. The results of the e******n remain among the most disputed ever, although there is no question that Democrat Samuel J. Tilden of New York outpolled Ohio's Republican Rutherford B. Hayes in the popular v**e. After a first count of v**es, Tilden won 184 e*******l v**es to Hayes's 165, with 20 v**es unresolved. These 20 e*******l v**es were in dispute in four states: in the case of Florida, Louisiana, and South Carolina, each party reported its candidate had won the state, while in Oregon one e*****r was declared illegal (as an "elected or appointed official") and replaced. The question of who should have been awarded these e*******l v**es is the source of the continued controversy concerning the results of this e******n.
An informal deal was struck to resolve the dispute: the Compromise of 1877, which awarded all 20 e*******l v**es to Hayes. In return for the Democrats' acquiescence in Hayes's e******n, the Republicans agreed to withdraw federal troops from the South, ending Reconstruction. The Compromise effectively ceded power in the Southern states to the Democratic Redeemers, who went on to pursue their agenda of returning the South to a political economy resembling that of its pre-war condition, including the disenfranchisement of black v**ers.[3][4]
1888: Benjamin Harrison (Republican) vs Grover Cleveland (Democrat)
The 1888 contest saw Grover Cleveland of New York, the incumbent president and a Democrat, try to secure a second term against the Republican nominee Benjamin Harrison, a former U.S. Senator from Indiana. The economy was prosperous and the nation was at peace, but Cleveland lost re-e******n in the E*******l College, even though he won a plurality of the popular v**e by a narrow margin.
Tariff policy was the principal issue in the e******n. Harrison took the side of industrialists and factory workers who wanted to keep tariffs high, while Cleveland strenuously denounced high tariffs as unfair to consumers. His opposition to Civil War pensions and inflated currency also made enemies among veterans and farmers. On the other hand, he held a strong hand in the South and border states, and appealed to former Republican Mugwumps.
Harrison swept almost the entire North and Midwest (losing only Connecticut and New Jersey), and narrowly carried the swing states of New York (Cleveland's home state) and Indiana (Harrison's home state) by a margin of 1% or less to achieve a majority of the e*******l v**e. Unlike the e******n of 1884, the power of the Tammany Hall political machine in New York City helped deny Cleveland the e*******l v**es of his home state.[5]
2000: George W. Bush (Republican) vs Al Gore (Democrat)
The 2000 p**********l e******n was between Republican candidate George W. Bush, the incumbent governor of Texas and son of former president George H. W. Bush, and Democratic candidate Al Gore, the incumbent Vice President. Despite Gore receiving 543,895 more v**es (0.51% of all v**es cast), Bush was elected president.[6]
Vice President Gore was able to secure the Democratic nomination with relative ease. Bush was seen as the early favorite for the Republican nomination, and despite a contentious primary battle with Senator John McCain and other candidates, secured the nomination by Super Tuesday. Many third party candidates also ran, most prominently Ralph Nader. Bush chose former Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney as his running mate, and Gore chose Senator Joe Lieberman as his. Both major party candidates focused primarily on domestic issues, such as the budget, tax relief, and reforms for federal social insurance programs, though foreign policy was not ignored.[7]
The result of the e******n hinged on Florida, where the margin of victory triggered a mandatory recount. Litigation in select counties started additional recounts, and this litigation ultimately reached the United States Supreme Court. The Court's contentious decision in Bush v. Gore, announced on December 12, 2000, ended the recounts, effectively awarding Florida's v**es to Bush and granting him the victory. Later studies have reached conflicting opinions on who would have won the recount had it been allowed to proceed.[8] George Bush received 50,456,002 v**es (47.87%) and Gore received 50,999,897 (48.38%).[6]
2016: Donald J. Trump (Republican) vs Hillary Clinton (Democrat)
When the United States E*******l College casts their e*******l v**es in December 2016,[9] they will most likely confirm the win in the 2016 e******n by Donald Trump. As of November 2016 (11/13/ at 04:39 EST), Hillary Clinton had received more than 600,000 more v**es in the general e******n than Trump giving Clinton a 0.5-percentage-point popular v**e lead over Donald Trump.[10]"
But there is the possibility that Clinton could be confirmed over Trump! The last total that I can find is that Clinton is leading the Popular v**e by 766,920 v**es!
Each time that there has been a break between the Popular V**e and the E*******l V**e, the Republican has been awarded the White house! Florida has played a key roll in 3 of those 5 e******ns!
Nov 15, 2016 00:12:10 #
Szalajj wrote:
http://www.al.com/articles/19669722/popular_v**e_totals_for_presid_1.amp
As the final v**e tallies continue to flow in, it's currently showing that Clinton won the popular v**e by 766,920, and increasing!
As the final v**e tallies continue to flow in, it's currently showing that Clinton won the popular v**e by 766,920, and increasing!
In California she won by 3,000,000 and in New York by 1,500,000. If it were not for the E.C. one might be right in saying that California and New York hold the reins of Government in the nation.
Nov 15, 2016 00:14:54 #
Racmanaz
Loc: Sunny Tucson!
Szalajj wrote:
There is ZERO possibility that Hillary will be confirmed...get over it! Trump was chosen by God to be President! You are out of luck!
Nov 15, 2016 00:16:17 #
Racmanaz
Loc: Sunny Tucson!
[quote=Szalajj]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E*******l_College_(United_States)
Bahahahahahah....can you say NEVER HILLARY!
There's a rumbling among the political left that the unexpected e******n of Donald Trump might necessitate an unprecedented response: members of the e*******l college bucking the rules to hand the presidency to Hillary Clinton.
As it stands, Clinton holds a slim lead in the popular v**e nationally, a function of the uneven way in which she won her e*******l v**es. Clinton did better against Trump in Texas and Arizona than President Obama did against Mitt Romney in 2012 â but still doesn't get any of those states' e*******l v**es. In California, she did five percentage points better than Obama, earning 2.5 million more v**es â with lots more to be counted. But she still only gets 55 e*****rs in the constitutionally significant v****g on Dec. 19.
The theory goes, then, that the e*******l college v**e shouldn't hew to the mostly winner-take-all tradition with which we're familiar. Instead, since Clinton got more v**es, those e*****rs should support her, where possible, and hand her the presidency.
Is it possible? Theoretically. Will it happen? Ha ha ha ha ha no.
Let's jump to the end.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/10/spoiler-that-plan-to-have-the-e*******l-college-elect-hillary-clinton-isnt-going-to-work/
Bahahahahahah....can you say NEVER HILLARY!
There's a rumbling among the political left that the unexpected e******n of Donald Trump might necessitate an unprecedented response: members of the e*******l college bucking the rules to hand the presidency to Hillary Clinton.
As it stands, Clinton holds a slim lead in the popular v**e nationally, a function of the uneven way in which she won her e*******l v**es. Clinton did better against Trump in Texas and Arizona than President Obama did against Mitt Romney in 2012 â but still doesn't get any of those states' e*******l v**es. In California, she did five percentage points better than Obama, earning 2.5 million more v**es â with lots more to be counted. But she still only gets 55 e*****rs in the constitutionally significant v****g on Dec. 19.
The theory goes, then, that the e*******l college v**e shouldn't hew to the mostly winner-take-all tradition with which we're familiar. Instead, since Clinton got more v**es, those e*****rs should support her, where possible, and hand her the presidency.
Is it possible? Theoretically. Will it happen? Ha ha ha ha ha no.
Let's jump to the end.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/10/spoiler-that-plan-to-have-the-e*******l-college-elect-hillary-clinton-isnt-going-to-work/
Nov 15, 2016 00:19:09 #
Racmanaz wrote:
LOL you only proved that you post lies that's it lol.....bwhahahahahahahah Queen Hillary and Gang thought they had this signed sealed and waiting for delivery....ya'll should have requested delivery updates lol....delivery updated and rerouted to Trump!!!!
lol s**t they gonna use this dumb fck for a delivery boi
Nov 15, 2016 00:22:52 #
Racmanaz wrote:
Liberals are in such denial that they are still insanely optimistic about counting more v**es to see how much she didn't lose!!! either way, Trump will be sitting pretty in the White House! lol
To your other nonsensical statements we must now add that Hillary Clinton is a liberal politician.
Nov 15, 2016 00:29:31 #
Racmanaz
Loc: Sunny Tucson!
dirtpusher wrote:
lol s**t they gonna use this dumb fck for a delivery boi
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