Exposure, tired of the endless argumentation.
I do not know about you but I am really getting tired of endless arguments on 'how to expose' anything.
First off exposure of anything depends on your vision, intent and eventual client demand. This determine what is important (or not) when you first create a composition and then expose the damned thing in order to create a capture you can start working with.
Second, it depends on your camera capabilities as far as the sensor goes. Large pixels have a tendency to create a more accurate color but will lack in details. This influences the exposure, like it or not.
Third you have the file format. You do not expose the same way depending on you output choice. A JPG has severe limitations that may force the use of bracketing in order to capture high contrast scene. If you use raw, you really need to be 'exposed' to extremes to need to bracket to capture a scene full luminosity.
Fourth you have PP. Regardless of the above I am not aware of any capture that is so good that it does not need any post processing.
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Personally when I shoot something:
- I expose for what I need, I expose that correctly first and foremost. I basically do not give a hoot about the surroundings, sorry.
- I shoot raw, JPG is good or better for you? Fine, I will not ague. JPG is not good for me, that's it. raw exposure is a training all by itself.
- I plan for PP meaning that I do not shoot 'straight'. My white balance is 'UniWB' and I am apparently over exposed if one just corrects the WB and creates a JPG that is simply unacceptable.
Something you must remember: You are the one responsible for your choices, not the camera, not the manufacturer engineer when you use auto anything. YOU make the choices to be on auto so... No excuse (This goes for focusing too, incidentally).
Being responsible means you must learn your camera enough to pull the most out of it. If you do not and stick to lesser default? Your problem, no one else.
You want to argue about 'good exposure' or bad one? If you do not have the full information on intent your chances of being wrong is near 99%.
Who pee'd in your cereal this morning??
So now that we know what you do, how does that in any way affect what the rest of us do.
You seem to be fixated on a few irrelevant pieces of the exposure puzzle, such as sensor performance and what format you shoot.
The triangle by any other name is still the TRIANGLE!!
All that matters is if our pics come out the way we want them to. Everything else is irrelevant except to the most jaded nerd that will insist those things are somehow important. They are only important to them!
For God's sake, just..........
LEARN TO CHIMP.
SS
Rongnongno wrote:
I do not know about you but I am really getting tired of endless arguments on 'how to expose' anything.
First off exposure of anything depends on your vision, intent and eventual client demand. This determine what is important (or not) when you first create a composition and then expose the damned thing in order to create a capture you can start working with.
Second, it depends on your camera capabilities as far as the sensor goes. Large pixels have a tendency to create a more accurate color but will lack in details. This influences the exposure, like it or not.
Third you have the file format. You do not expose the same way depending on you output choice. A JPG has severe limitations that may force the use of bracketing in order to capture high contrast scene. If you use raw, you really need to be 'exposed' to extremes to need to bracket to capture a scene full luminosity.
Fourth you have PP. Regardless of the above I am not aware of any capture that is so good that it does not need any post processing.
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Personally when I shoot something:
- I expose for what I need, I expose that correctly first and foremost. I basically do not give a hoot about the surroundings, sorry.
- I shoot raw, JPG is good or better for you? Fine, I will not ague. JPG is not good for me, that's it. raw exposure is a training all by itself.
- I plan for PP meaning that I do not shoot 'straight'. My white balance is 'UniWB' and I am apparently over exposed if one just corrects the WB and creates a JPG that is simply unacceptable.
Something you must remember: You are the one responsible for your choices, not the camera, not the manufacturer engineer when you use auto anything. YOU make the choices to be on auto so... No excuse (This goes for focusing too, incidentally).
Being responsible means you must learn your camera enough to pull the most out of it. If you do not and stick to lesser default? Your problem, no one else.
You want to argue about 'good exposure' or bad one? If you do not have the full information on intent your chances of being wrong is near 99%.
I do not know about you but I am really getting ti... (
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I agree, I get so damn tired of this argument over and over and over again. It always starts as a discussion and ends as a argument.
All I ever wanted to know about exposure can be found in the question, "If an image is over exposed is it an indecent exposure?"
Rongnongno wrote:
I do not know about you but I am really getting tired of endless arguments on 'how to expose' anything.
First off exposure of anything depends on your vision, intent and eventual client demand. This determine what is important (or not) when you first create a composition and then expose the damned thing in order to create a capture you can start working with.
Second, it depends on your camera capabilities as far as the sensor goes. Large pixels have a tendency to create a more accurate color but will lack in details. This influences the exposure, like it or not.
Third you have the file format. You do not expose the same way depending on you output choice. A JPG has severe limitations that may force the use of bracketing in order to capture high contrast scene. If you use raw, you really need to be 'exposed' to extremes to need to bracket to capture a scene full luminosity.
Fourth you have PP. Regardless of the above I am not aware of any capture that is so good that it does not need any post processing.
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Personally when I shoot something:
- I expose for what I need, I expose that correctly first and foremost. I basically do not give a hoot about the surroundings, sorry.
- I shoot raw, JPG is good or better for you? Fine, I will not ague. JPG is not good for me, that's it. raw exposure is a training all by itself.
- I plan for PP meaning that I do not shoot 'straight'. My white balance is 'UniWB' and I am apparently over exposed if one just corrects the WB and creates a JPG that is simply unacceptable.
Something you must remember: You are the one responsible for your choices, not the camera, not the manufacturer engineer when you use auto anything. YOU make the choices to be on auto so... No excuse (This goes for focusing too, incidentally).
Being responsible means you must learn your camera enough to pull the most out of it. If you do not and stick to lesser default? Your problem, no one else.
You want to argue about 'good exposure' or bad one? If you do not have the full information on intent your chances of being wrong is near 99%.
I do not know about you but I am really getting ti... (
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Yes. I can understand your intolerance with the irresponsibility and ramblings of the proletarian rabble. How do manage to even get out of bed in the morning?? Chin up dear boy.
Rongnongno wrote:
I do not know about you but I am really getting tired of endless arguments on 'how to expose' anything.
First off exposure of anything depends on your vision, intent and eventual client demand. This determine what is important (or not) when you first create a composition and then expose the damned thing in order to create a capture you can start working with.
Second, it depends on your camera capabilities as far as the sensor goes. Large pixels have a tendency to create a more accurate color but will lack in details. This influences the exposure, like it or not.
Third you have the file format. You do not expose the same way depending on you output choice. A JPG has severe limitations that may force the use of bracketing in order to capture high contrast scene. If you use raw, you really need to be 'exposed' to extremes to need to bracket to capture a scene full luminosity.
Fourth you have PP. Regardless of the above I am not aware of any capture that is so good that it does not need any post processing.
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Personally when I shoot something:
- I expose for what I need, I expose that correctly first and foremost. I basically do not give a hoot about the surroundings, sorry.
- I shoot raw, JPG is good or better for you? Fine, I will not ague. JPG is not good for me, that's it. raw exposure is a training all by itself.
- I plan for PP meaning that I do not shoot 'straight'. My white balance is 'UniWB' and I am apparently over exposed if one just corrects the WB and creates a JPG that is simply unacceptable.
Something you must remember: You are the one responsible for your choices, not the camera, not the manufacturer engineer when you use auto anything. YOU make the choices to be on auto so... No excuse (This goes for focusing too, incidentally).
Being responsible means you must learn your camera enough to pull the most out of it. If you do not and stick to lesser default? Your problem, no one else.
You want to argue about 'good exposure' or bad one? If you do not have the full information on intent your chances of being wrong is near 99%.
I do not know about you but I am really getting ti... (
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If you are tired, don't initiate posts, and further refrain from engaging in any discussion.
Unless you enjoy the controversy--- and the attention.
dandi
Loc: near Seattle, WA
Rongnongno wrote:
I do not know about you but I am really getting tired of endless arguments on 'how to expose' anything.
The only way not to get tired of endless arguments is not to be involved in the arguments because they will never end, they are endless.
As far as exposure just use KISS principle: matrix metering+ exposure compensation as needed, it should take care of most of the situations.
I Don't want to ruffle any feathers, but if you learning your camera a good place to start is JPEG.. I mean if you can't correct in PP from a raw file, then your stuck with what you have. It can actually be liberating not having to pull a rabbit out of you hat ever time you take a shot. I'm getting lazy in my old age and only want to PP as little as possible, but that's just me...
Peterff
Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
Rongnongno wrote:
I do not know about you but I am really getting tired of endless arguments on 'how to expose' anything.
Have you spoken to Anthony Weiner or Huma Abedin about that recently?
BebuLamar wrote:
That's too complicated/
I agree...., any acronym more than 2 letters long is just to taxing on my finely tuned processor!
If you wanna KISS, use acronyms that are easier to process, like my favorite......, F.U. Easy to understand and easy to use, everyone knows it and rolls right off the old French tongue!!!
SS
I like the negative reaction of a few of you.
One just made made my ignore list once and for all.
To display any irritation over repeated arguments is now a new thing to avoid on UHH. Sorry but being 'UHH 'Correct is not part of my make-up. I say what I want to say when I want to say it and do not need anyone approval or rejection.
As to 'attention seeker' I just notice that those who claim that or become insulting are trying get the said attention. One did more than the others.
Enjoy your silliness. I most certainly do.
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