Big Bill Loc: Phoenix, AZ

green Loc: 22.1749611,-159.646704,20

looks like the Democratically-controlled cities are finally getting their acts together.

Big Bill Loc: Phoenix, AZ

Did you read the same article I linked to?
I just re-read it, and I find nothing to bolster your claim.
What I do find on Google, checking Chicago, Milwaukee, and several other Dem controlled cities, is a rise in gun crime rates.
Do you just make this stuff up?

green Loc: 22.1749611,-159.646704,20

no... it's called inductive reasoning

The right-winger NRA claim is that if you take away the 5 worst cities in the US (incidently, democratically controlled...and with the strictest gun-control laws) then the US is one of the safest countries in the world. The murder rate has been plummeting since 1990, so obviously the democratic governments in these 5 cities are doing something right.

GeorgeH Loc: Jonesboro, GA

Do note that re: murder rate in Chicago, Detroit, etc., there are no "border controls" to keep Chicago folk from driving into Indiana and buying their weapons at a gun show, where background checks are typically rare. And to blame big-city crime rates on the dominant political party is simplistic, at best. Correlation is not necessarily causation. The rooster's crow doesn't cause the sun rise.

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

We have a boarder in the south with Mexico yet drugs and small arms are smuggled in regardless of this boarder. I do understand what you are saying and I have considered that theory as well, you do bring up a good point but not sure it's a valid point....it maybe. The reason for Chicago's strict gun laws was to minimize gun violence correct?

Big Bill Loc: Phoenix, AZ

Obviously, you have both failed to read any of the articles that abound that destroy the myth of the gunshow loophole (a "lopophole", BTW, is a legal act that I don't like, while a legal act that I do like is called a benefit), or actually attend a gunshow to see that all dealers there must perform background checks. (You, like so many others, obviously can't put yourself to the trouble to see if your ideas are based in facts. Such laziness doesn't become someone who makes arguments in a forum with people who know what they are talking about.)
Did you ever ask yourself why there are so many guns in Chicago? It's not because of lax gun laws. It's because some people in Chicago want the guns, for wh**ever purpose.

And you're right, the rooster doesn't make the sun rise. And no matter how many flies you find around garbage, they don't cause the garbage.
However, the sunrise does make the rooster crow, and the garbage does attract the flies.
No matter how you try to dress it up, liberal policies keep poor people poor (welfare is only supposed to be a temporary hand up, not a permanent handout), and, no matter how much liberals try to deny it, welfare has led to the downfall of black family life, and gangs have stepped in to fill that void. And, in cities nationwide, gangs are the primary cause of crime.

Big Bill Loc: Phoenix, AZ

"The reason for Chicago's strict gun laws was to minimize gun violence correct?"
On the surface, yes.
Historically, the reason for gun control has been to keep b****s disarmed. Yes, it was r****t. (Just like poll taxes, requirements of land ownership for v****g, and many other policies)

GeorgeH Loc: Jonesboro, GA

Check this link: http://www.governing.com/gov-data/safety-justice/gun-show-firearms-bankground-checks-state-laws-map.html You will note that Indiana, close to Chicago, doesn't require background checks at gun shows. A good source of weapons for Chicago folk!

While licensed dealers at gun shows are required to perform background checks, private individuals at gun shows or elsewhere - out in the parking lot, for example - are not. Thus I question whether many posting in The Sewer know what they're talking about. Of course some people in Chicago want guns, I didn't say otherwise. What I said is that strict gun laws in a locality do no good if an adjacent locality has lax regulations.

Speaking of sources, what is the source of your statement that gangs are the primary cause of crime?

GeorgeH Loc: Jonesboro, GA

Quite right! I grew up in Virginia and well remember the occasional KKK rally in a vacant lot only a few miles away, and the hysteria accompanying the various civil rights legislation of the '60s.

Big Bill Loc: Phoenix, AZ

If you'd ever been to gun shows, you'd know that the vast majority of vendors are licensed gun dealers. Private sellers are actually kinda hard to find.
If you'd done any research, you'd know that most criminals in jail/prison for gun-related crime say they either steal, or buy their guns on the street; no background checks necessary. Many illegal guns are smuggled in from places like the Phillipines:

http://articles.latimes.com/keyword/weapons-smuggling-philippines

As far as my source of my statement that gangs are the primary cause of crime, I believe what I said was gangs were the primary source of violence, especially gun violence, in cities with high gun crime rates. The source? Watch the news, read any written reports of gun violence in cities like Chicago, Milwaukee, or any other large city with such violence. Do your own research, then you won't need to deride any source I quote. The information is not only out there, but extremely easy to find. That you don't know it is a problem, because it indicates that you don't want to make the effort to find out what's going on in a forum you've decided to participate in.
Sorry if that's harsh, but I'm getting tired of people who refuse to do any research, and instead ignore anything that doesn't fit their views.