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Aug 1, 2016 10:09:42   #
Marionsho Loc: Kansas
 
billnikon wrote:
I say let the Supreme Court decide this issue, they are never wrong.



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Aug 1, 2016 10:13:18   #
wj cody Loc: springfield illinois
 
rmalarz wrote:
Floyd, UV or clear filters do protect, to some degree, the front optic of a lens---Period.

They are equivalent to what engineers refer to as a frangible device. In the deformation of the filter frame, the fracturing of the glass, the energy is dissipated and partially absorbed. This reduces the amount of force experienced by the rest of the lens. Think about it. It'll eventually make sense to you.
--Bob


while a lot of repair shops have collections of broken filters from lens drops, we have a collection of front elements from lenses, sans filters, from lens drops. needless to say, those folks now have haze filters on all of their lenses. sort of nice when folks don't use them - really profitable repairs. so, please don't use filters on your lenses!

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Aug 1, 2016 10:14:40   #
Marionsho Loc: Kansas
 
Jim Bob wrote:
Jerry, I get so tired of this frickin' topic and of the idiotic posts it engenders. I'm surprised that the posters who maintain that filters offer no protection have enough sense to press a shutter button. Clearly, their brains are like a shutter that cannot be opened, i.e., permanently damaged.


Jim said.....I get so tired of this frickin' topic.
Did you read ALL the replies?

Marion

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Aug 1, 2016 10:29:19   #
RWR Loc: La Mesa, CA
 
ecobin wrote:
Actually, it's my wife's experience.

We just had a week vacation in the Canadian Rockies (Calgary, Canmore, Banff, Jasper, and many lakes, waterfalls, wildlife, etc.)€“ had a great time. There were hundreds of tourists from many nations everywhere we went and I couldn't believe how many carried their DSLRs without using the strap (I use the Op/Tech Custom Strap Pro with X-Long extensions and Uni-Loop connectors which allows me to sling the strap/camera across my body and have no neck or shoulder discomfort). And, I couldn't believe how many times I had to remind my wife to use her strap (she didn't appreciate my reminders but I recently upgraded her Canon SX30 to a Nikon P900).

I know that digital camera sensors eliminate UV light so that UV filters are superfluous. But having several from my film camera lenses, I use them as protection instead of buying new clear filters. I'd much rather clean a filter several times a day than my lens, and in Canada we both needed to clean our filters constantly (I mostly used a CPL filter on my wide angle lens and a UV filter on my telephoto lens; I took only two lenses with me). Well, on the last day at night as we entered our room to pack up, my wife dropped her camera on a very hard floor (again she was hand holding without the strap on). I contained myself as much as possible. Fortunately, the UV filter that I gave her was on the camera – it shattered (don't know what it hit) but there are no dings or scratches on the camera or lens glass and the camera works fine.

I have taken many test shots with and without a UV filter, with all of my cameras, and cannot tell the difference. I'€™ll replace her filter with a clear glass quality filter. For us, the protective filters will remain on. Hopefully, lesson learned about the strap!
Actually, it's my wife's experience. br br We ju... (show quote)

The only thing I can tell from this fuzzy blob of a picture is that the glass is cracked. Without detailed views of the threads (filter ring and lens), I cannot determine whether or not the lens was protected.

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Aug 1, 2016 10:33:04   #
wingclui44 Loc: CT USA
 
Apaflo wrote:
First there actually has been experimentation that showed there is virtually no protection provided for the type of impact described.

But in this case it is extremely obvious from the picture provided that the damage to the filter is not from frontal penetration, where the filter supposedly would block the foreign object from hitting the front surface of the lens. Instead the damage is from impact with a floor that is flat and not penetrating. It hit the edge of the lens and the filter had virtually zero effect. (Other than to provide convincing evidence that careful handling is important.)
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Agree with you! If you drop a lens to a hard surface like concrete floor, with or without filter, the lens absolutely will get some kind of damage or shatter glass element in the lens because of the shock to the lens, the degree of the damage is all depend on the built quality of the lens.
Filter is only for special picture effect or some dirt or scratch protection to the front lens. I don't think it's for drop protection at all.
I use filter in some occasions. Using the best made filter with muti-coating for preventing 'ghost' reflection, but that will be expensive for a filter.

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Aug 1, 2016 10:38:04   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
Damage from a drop forceful enough to damage the filter, may also damage internal components inside the lens. Especially newer lenses with multiple elements, delicate electronic motors, plastic gears, etc. Yes, filter will protect against fingerprints, et al. That said, most of that type of damage is minor and won't show up in an image anyway. I've bought several lenses with small scratches on the front element & you cannot tell the difference. Bottom line is , use one if it makes you feel safer, don't if it doesn't. I have been shooting since the late 1960's & I have yet to drop or damage a camera or lens. My God people, take proper care of your gear & avoid damage to begin with. My only damage was to an older Minolta camera that I loaned to a friend. He wound up getting dirt inside the film speed selection dial & paid to have it repaired. I have never loaned out any gear since. Must be that people spending money to replace front elements have no sense of safety or realize that damage to that element will have to be petty severe to have any effect. Look at mirror lenses as an example. They all have that huge plastic disc in the center of the element but other than bokeh being affected, the images are no worse than lenses without that disc. People are too hung up on any "damage" on the front element. Actually, damage to the rear element is more detrimental to the image than on a front element. Coatings on the front element are more suspect to be damaged than the actual glass & most newer lenses are coated on more than just the front element.

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Aug 1, 2016 10:40:24   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
rmalarz wrote:
Floyd, UV or clear filters do protect, to some degree, the front optic of a lens---Period.

They are equivalent to what engineers refer to as a frangible device. In the deformation of the filter frame, the fracturing of the glass, the energy is dissipated and partially absorbed. This reduces the amount of force experienced by the rest of the lens. Think about it. It'll eventually make sense to you.
--Bob

Whatever protection is provided by the energy dissipated when deforming the filter is minuscule. If you think about it, the design of devices such as car bumpers, dock pilings, and seismic bracing is not a mystery. It works for specific reasons, and a fragile thin glass filter on your lens is not even in the ball park. The material that is deformed does what is called "plastic work", in that it requires significant energy to reshape the material. A thin glass lens does not "deform", it just bends slightly and then shatters, and not even into that many parts!

Compare that with the average lens hood. That is effective protection.

Filters do protect from scratches, from sand, from saltwater... they just don't protect from impact. That has clearly, for anyone willing to take notice, been well demonstrated.

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Aug 1, 2016 10:45:26   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
Screamin Scott wrote:
Damage from a drop forceful enough to damage the filter, may also damage internal components inside the lens. Especially newer lenses with multiple elements, delicate electronic motors, plastic gears, etc. Yes, filter will protect against fingerprints, et al. That said, most of that type of damage is minor and won't show up in an image anyway. I've bought several lenses with small scratches on the front element & you cannot tell the difference. Bottom line is , use one if it makes you feel safer, don't if it doesn't. I have been shooting since the late 1960's & I have yet to drop or damage a camera or lens. My God people, take proper care of your gear & avoid damage to begin with. My only damage was to an older Minolta camera that I loaned to a friend. He wound up getting dirt inside the film speed selection dial & paid to have it repaired. I have never loaned out any gear since. Must be that people spending money to replace front elements have no sense of safety or realize that damage to that element will have to be petty severe to have any effect. Look at mirror lenses as an example. They all have that huge plastic disc in the center of the element but other than bokeh being affected, the images are no worse than lenses without that disc. People are too hung up on any "damage" on the front element. Actually, damage to the rear element is more detrimental to the image than on a front element. Coatings on the front element are more suspect to be damaged than the actual glass & most newer lenses are coated on more than just the front element.
Damage from a drop forceful enough to damage the f... (show quote)



Except I think maybe that is a typo in the first line? Any drop forceful enough to damage the front element will likely cause other internal damage. Breaking one of those fragile filters isn't all that hard...

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Aug 1, 2016 11:02:44   #
JimKing Loc: Salisbury, Maryland USA
 
I've always been one who does not leave filters on the lens. I have no great arguments I just don't. I've only damaged one lens and it was when the camera (on a strap) slipped off my shoulder (yeah, not around my neck ... won't do that again) and hit a concrete sidewalk (here's the great part I was teaching a photography class at that moment). The camera lens was an 24 to 70 Nikon 2.8 well built and not inexpensive. The lens physically broke in half. I still have that lens which I keep as a reminder. Oh, as near as I can tell no glass was broken.

The one description of leaving the filter on until ready to shoot caused a head scratch because it seems a lens cap would do that.

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Aug 1, 2016 11:22:24   #
GENorkus Loc: Washington Twp, Michigan
 
Although I'm sure i have, i don't remember ever dropping my camera but hitting things, yes.

Bent and cracked my hoods a couple times, mess up the outer ring here and there, minor bend in body back in analog days, and once covering a wedding I broke the hot shoe mount on my flash. (It's now permanently a remote slave flash.)

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Aug 1, 2016 11:38:15   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
ecobin wrote:
Actually, it's my wife's experience.

We just had a week vacation in the Canadian Rockies (Calgary, Canmore, Banff, Jasper, and many lakes, waterfalls, wildlife, etc.)....in Canada we both needed to clean our filters constantly (I mostly used a CPL filter on my wide angle lens and a UV filter on my telephoto lens; I took only two lenses with me).



What I'm having trouble with is...

What was it about Canada, specifically, that meant you had to clean things more than usual? I've been most of the places you mention and never noticed anything that would cause camera gear to get dirtier than usual. In fact some of those places are really pristine.

I agree that the filter almost certainly did nothing but break... If it hadn't been on the lens, very likely nothing would have happened to either the camera or lens. It would have been better protected with a lens cap and/or lens hood. But now the original poster is faced with the unnecessary expense of replacing a largely unnecessary filter.

Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0CLPTd6Bds

Leaving a CPL on a lens all the time is even worse than a UV.

On certain rare occasions, UV filtration can be helpful, even with digital... Just as on certain rare occasions "protection" from a filter can be helpful... So UV filter is marginally more useful than a "clear/protection only".

But, hey! Whatever. It's been discussed ad naseum. If people want to use a stack of filters on their lenses, what do I care?

I just don't like to see myths perpetuated and bad advice passed along.

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Aug 1, 2016 12:04:41   #
jcboy3
 
No guarantee whether a filter will protect the lens in case of a fall. The filter will protect the lens from sand and water, but your pictures will still suffer. And it is guaranteed that the filter will degrade image quality. How much, and whether you notice it or not, is dependent upon the quality of the filter and the characteristics of the subject. But I have pictures showing massive reflection problems due to the presence of a UV filter (because I forgot to take it off before shooting). And these reflections are always present; it's just a question of whether the contrast in the image makes them more visible.

I use filters when I need them; and try to not use them when I don't. But then, I use lens hoods (which also offer some protection, reduce stray light, and don't degrade IQ). And, most important, I try not to drop my stuff.

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Aug 1, 2016 12:15:11   #
WayneT Loc: Paris, TN
 
I have seen the videos on how much or how little UV or Clear Filters will protect or lack there of many times and I have always felt a little safer with a UV or Clear filter on my lenses. Not just for the drop damage possibility but also for keeping my front lens clean. Here is a link that may help those of you on the fence on this issue, a lens filter that is made from Gorilla Glass. MUCH stronger than any other filter that I'm aware of on the market. I've posted this a couple of times before but for me this is a solid improvement in protection of your lenses. The only question I have of these filters is of their optical quality which has yet to be established. These are supposed to be available this fall and I for one will be trying them out.

http://aurora-aperture.com/2016/07/13/press-release-aurora-aperture-introduces-powerxnd-2000-variable-nd-filter/

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Aug 1, 2016 12:48:14   #
rook2c4 Loc: Philadelphia, PA USA
 
Jim Bob wrote:
Exactly. Defies logic and the laws of physics. It's like saying helmets are useless. Guess that's why NASCAR drivers, football and baseball players, to name a few, insist on wearing them. How long will we be confronted with this lunacy?


Helmet? I'd say it's more like wearing a wool cap. If you want helmet-like impact protection, the lens cap or lens hood are far better than the wafer-thin UV filter.

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Aug 1, 2016 12:57:26   #
Macronaut Loc: Redondo Beach,Ca.
 
JimKing wrote:

The one description of leaving the filter on until ready to shoot caused a head scratch because it seems a lens cap would do that.
You noticed that too?

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