kd7eir Loc: Tucson, AZ

Sane position - ENOUGH ALREADY! Time for THROUGH PSYCHOLOGICAL BACKGROUND CHECKS. This woman was obviously a very seriously mentally ill person that should have NEVER been allowed to own a firearm.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/texas-mother-k**led-cops-fatally-shooting-daughters-article-1.2687929

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

The Orlando shooter and other shooters were hardcore Liberal Democrats. Is there a point here?
Obama just released 1000 hardcore drug dealers saying they were not violent. One of them immediately k**led a woman and her two children. Is Obama to blame then, the shooter, the wife and two children? Conservatives tend to blame the shooter while Liberals tend to blame the instrument used in the murder.

Dennis

ken hubert Loc: Missouri

BOOM! Owned his ass again!

kd7eir Loc: Tucson, AZ

You really do have a tiny, tiny, ability to think, don't you?

NO ONE owned anyone's ass, but I AM CONCERNED with YOUR FIXATION ON OTHER PEOPLE'S ASS - I think you may have revealed just a bit too much about yourself here.

kd7eir Loc: Tucson, AZ

And your point is? NOTHING you just said relates to requiring mental health screening before purchasing a gun. Did your PARTISAN MIND cause you to not actually READ WHAT I WROTE?

ken hubert Loc: Missouri

He just got his ass owned AGAIN! Poor fool never learns. Must be related to Keenan

Opus Loc: South East Michigan

Well actually, he is.

tradio Loc: Oxford, Ohio

Nice photo, you must have a nice camera.
Delicious meal, you must have a nice stove.
Shot the kids? you must have had bad guns.
If she would have used a 9 iron, would you be posting a complaint on golf clubs?
Every right that your undeserving butt enjoys was/is made possible by guns.

cwp3420

What a fucking whack job. He'said as fixated on weapons as much as Keenan is fixated on gay rights.

ken hubert Loc: Missouri

ken hubert Loc: Missouri

And the nut claims to have an FFL. What a joke.

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

I have spoken out many times against Obama because he was going to do a comprehensive study of gun violence. But when he got around to it there was no study of the mental health aspects of any violence. Recently we had a college student at UCSB in Isla Vista, CA, with a history of mental illness go crazy. He stabbed his three roommates to death and then drove around town shooting at others, k*****g another two people as I recall. All the newspapers, his parents, students ever talked about was he SHOT people. Hardly a word about him STABBING three people to start off his k*****g spree. Immediately there were calls for gun bans, Screw the NRA, and the usual hodge podge of crap from Liberals. It turned out that his parents knew he was bonkers and called from Los Angeles to the local Sheriff's Office for a welfare check. A welfare check here is the same as in jurisdictions throughout America. The deputies knocked on the subject's door and talked to him. He seemed fine so they left. Had they gone inside they might have gotten some sense of a dangerous person but not necessarily. They had done the welfare check and the person was fine. As a former deputy with the same department I find no fault with the deputies. They did exactly what they were asked to do. But had they been given the information that the person was a risk to others they could have talked to him more in depth; they could have ascertained the person was a risk to others and had committed under section 5150 of the Welfare and Institutions Code for an evaluation. But they did not have that information. As you must know America has a medical law now called the HIPPA law. Under that law nobody can talk about a person's health unless it is the doctor to patient, nurse to patient etc. When I was a supervisor in a prison and an officer called in sick I was not allowed to even be nice, asking what was wrong, did they think they would need a doctor, etc. The person called in sick and that was that.
Due to the HIPPA law nobody will be able to obtain medical information on a prospective firearms purchaser.

To your writing, yes I did read it, who would interview the prospective purchaser? A doctor, a law enforcement officer, mental health professional? Any ideas? Our local sheriff is tasked with the responsibility of issuing carry permits. He doesn't really like citizens carrying firearms unless the citizen donated heavily to his campaign so permits are not commonly issued. It is simply one person who gets to decide whether or not you, me or anyone else can carry a firearm to defend themselves. So let's say the sheriff appoints a local mental health professional to be the judge of mental health stability. I have spoken to a few psychiatrists in my law enforcement career who told me that it could take a long time to determine if a person was crazy or not. How many people do you know that are just plain weird? Maybe they have some neurosis that makes them wash their hands constantly. But that does not make them incapable of handling a firearm and knowing when they can legally use it to protect themselves or others. My point is who gets to judge? Is it a Liberal who h**es firearms or a Conservative who loves firearms and wants everyone capable to have one? That is the problem with your thinking.

For the sake of argument because I have spoken to more mentally ill people beginning at just plain weird to full blown murderers, these people k**led their victims with anything from a claw hammer to an automobile, setting them on fire while alive, torturing them by shooting in the elbows and knee caps before k*****g them, two with a hatchet while the victim slept, etc. When I spoke to them, after they had already been sentenced for the murder, all were quiet, kind and generous people who bore no malice to anyone. Some went on to k**l again while in prison. Most were just fine and would probably never k**l again ever.

Dennis

mikedidi46 Loc: WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA

Well I am a gun advocate also, and I do own a couple of weapons. I do, however, believe that more testing should be done, and also Doctor's records should be shown so a person can be stopped from being allowed to buy a weapon.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

Are you talking about a medical doctor, psychiatric doctor? If either of those people just happen to be anti gun for any reason whatsoever and the issuance of a permit is denied or indefinitely delayed because they are still consulting or doing further research into your medical records does that seem fair to you. Consider the opposite scenario. The doctor is definitely in and he/she is a very strong proponent of citizen firearms ownership. Can you see how this can go, either way.

What if we reverse the entire scenario and look at facts (of course many will dispute the facts but oh well) in the matter. Let's consider that there are already millions of firearms in America. There are already over 25,000 firearms laws on the books. Death by firearms is rather a very small percentage compared to other forms of death. As our politicians are doing absolutely nothing about the gross carnage in cities such as Chicago, Washington, DC or Detroit to bring the number of deaths down in those cities then let's ask ourselves what the fuss is about over the rest of America. Liberals point out Riverside and Orlando as hot spots of illegal firearms activity. Cries ring through the nation about, Stopping illegal gun violence. But then why don't they shout just as loud about Chicago IF the point is to stop death by firearms? Why doesn't Obama use his full power of the Presidency and send troops into Chicago, declare martial law and stop people on the street to search for firearms. Why isn't the FBI there in an undercover capacity to ferret out who is bringing firearms into the city from other states as Obama's best friend, Mayor Rahm Emmanual, tells us. Why aren't the streets flooded with police officers where these shootings take place? Anybody got any ideas, anybody, anybody at all?

Why, when we have a shooter in Orlando who tells people openly that he is doing the k*****gs on behalf of ISIS, does the Obama administration still not believe him? Why does the Obama administration (read Loretta Lynch) change the official wording from, the k**ler is k*****g on behalf of Allah, to k*****g on behalf of God? Surely I am not the only person who believes that the corrupt Obama administration is trying to show that the k**ler was a Christian rather than a warrior for ISIS. Where is the k**ler's Muslim wife? Why isn't she in custody at least for questioning. With all the power of this administration they could not keep track of one Muslim woman. Yet Obama and Hillary both want 100,000 Syrian refugees brought into America with no promise at all that Americans will be safe other than Obama saying we will be safe. Really, Barack, as if you haven't lied through your teeth for the past 7 years and Hillary for the past 40.

But I digress. Mike, have I answered your question about why a doctor should not be the one judging Americans to see about firearms ownership? Basically, who judges the doctors?

Dennis