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Jun 13, 2016 03:56:30   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
With stacking your shutter speed is pretty fast, since you would be using the optimal F stop, so I'd say it is a superior way of getting a deep DOF. No more difficult than bracketing for HDR - btw, the camera I use can do focus stacking/bracketing automatically. With stacking, it will take up to 999 shots.

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Jun 13, 2016 05:19:47   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Macronaut wrote:
I am no expert by any stretch of the imagination but, this post got me to thinking and I believe my question will tie in nicely with your post.

Most of us know that small aperture diffraction as at lease one penalty. However, it's my understanding (which is very basic) that diffraction from say f22 would be less noticeable on a sensor with a lower pixel density, at least to some extent. For example: a FF 36mp vs. a 24mp crop sensor and all else being equal. Wouldn't diffraction at f22 have more of a negative effect on the crop sensor with the higher pixel density or isn't it at least more susceptible to diffraction?
I am no expert by any stretch of the imagination b... (show quote)


I think you are correct - but it might be backwards - the diffraction amount is the same, but a 12mp sensor will show less of it compared to a 36mp one. The 36mp sensor will show more of everything.

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Jun 13, 2016 05:28:31   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
SharpShooter wrote:
Most people use very wide angles for landscape.
At least that's what everybody here seems to always think is the holy grail of landscape.
With super wide angles one generally has completes DoF from close to the end of their nose to infinity at almost any f-stop, so I can never quite understand why there is always this diffraction scare!
I realize that some actually do landscape with a 600mm lens, but those folks are the exception, not the rule and they already know how to maximize their lens.
Just my two cents.
SS
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Hmm - I do a ton of landscape - and I rarely go to anything wider than 45mm - my go to focal length on a 36 mp full frame camera. I do have several 24mm lengths to choose from - 24-70, 14-24, and a 24 PC-E - but I consider them special purpose lenses, and I use them generally in close quarters, like when I am a deeply forested area and I come across a nice little waterfall, and there is no room to pull back on the shot. I do not care for the exaggerated "extension" of perspective that is characteristic of short lenses. And I use PC-E lenses to get that nose-to-infinity depth of field - even at F2.8 or F4. I am not a fan of what images taken at F22, or even F16 with my camera. I'd rather do a focus stack.

If I need a wider field of view - I will do a stitched pano - very easy to do, even hand-held, but the best results are with a tripod. The key is perspective - a wide or ultra-wide lens creates a false sense of depth. Longer lengths do not. Go to a fine art museum and try to find any landscape painting with a "wide angle" perspective - you won't find any. They were painted using eyes that generally see the world as a 43mm lens would. For a wider field of view, the artist merely turned his head from side to side to get it all in. My 45mm and 85mm PC-E lenses are the ones I use most for landscapes, though I have used a 100-300, and as SS suggested, even a 600mm F4.

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Jun 13, 2016 05:31:30   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Macronaut wrote:
Doesn't seem stacking would be of much use if there were any breeze moving plants around or moving water was in the picture, which would be a large percentage landscape shots.


And that is a really important point, at least on leaves and plants moving around - I don't mind water movement - I often will take a pond or a waterfall at 1 - .5 sec, and do it as a stack. Results are pretty good, as long as nothing else is moving.

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Jun 13, 2016 06:26:21   #
joseph premanandan
 
relying on hyperfocal distance does not help either if there are moving plants or moving water.in that case you have do HDR with the deghosting option that is available in photomatix and other HDR softwares.you can do focus stacking and HDR at the same time,joseph

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Jun 13, 2016 06:28:43   #
Wanderer2 Loc: Colorado Rocky Mountains
 
I'm an old time landscape shooter still trying to understand many of the wonders of post processing (I'm using the word wonders seriously, not sarcastically). If a photo shows the result of diffraction can it be eliminated or reduced in PS or PSE? Thanks.

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Jun 16, 2016 06:18:45   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Teton Viewer wrote:
I'm an old time landscape shooter still trying to understand many of the wonders of post processing (I'm using the word wonders seriously, not sarcastically). If a photo shows the result of diffraction can it be eliminated or reduced in PS or PSE? Thanks.


Not really. Post processing software cannot produce detail that was not originally captured by the camera. Loss of contrast and resolution resulting from diffraction falls into that category.

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Jun 16, 2016 10:20:44   #
Wanderer2 Loc: Colorado Rocky Mountains
 
Gene51 wrote:
Not really. Post processing software cannot produce detail that was not originally captured by the camera. Loss of contrast and resolution resulting from diffraction falls into that category.


That's what I suspected, but had hoped otherwise. Thanks for the reply.

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Jun 16, 2016 13:00:50   #
Macronaut Loc: Redondo Beach,Ca.
 
Gene51 wrote:
I think you are correct - but it might be backwards - the diffraction amount is the same, but a 12mp sensor will show less of it compared to a 36mp one. The 36mp sensor will show more of everything.
You may be correct. It just seems to me that I see diffraction shows up on sooner on my 7100, than on my 810. I thought the larger photo sites (pixel size) was why.....Airy disk or some such having an effect? As you can see, I am in no way a technical person . Now I am going to have to do more research

The calculator shows diffraction limited at f16 on a 1.5 crop sensor and does become limited until f32 on a FF. I need to read more about how pixel size comes into play but, I need to go to work in a minute.

Here's on place I'm looking http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/diffraction-photography.htm

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Jun 17, 2016 08:55:37   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Macronaut wrote:
You may be correct. It just seems to me that I see diffraction shows up on sooner on my 7100, than on my 810. I thought the larger photo sites (pixel size) was why.....Airy disk or some such having an effect? As you can see, I am in no way a technical person . Now I am going to have to do more research

The calculator shows diffraction limited at f16 on a 1.5 crop sensor and does become limited until f32 on a FF. I need to read more about how pixel size comes into play but, I need to go to work in a minute.

Here's on place I'm looking http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/diffraction-photography.htm
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I owned several D700s and one D3S - 12 mp full frame. Diffraction was barely noticeable at F11, but not an issue until I used an aperture smaller than F16. I now own D800 - and diffraction is already seen at F8, ok to F11, and problematic at F16, which I avoid at all costs. Hope that helps.

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