dandi
Loc: near Seattle, WA
Wesam wrote:
Background should be taken into consideration too. My first impression would be to under expose by 2/3 or one stop ( or whatever works) for the same reason mentioned above.
Take some test shots and see which one works better for you.
Try to avoid bright background or you would end up with a horse silhouette which might not be what you are looking for
A hint: "When photographing the bears you will usually be photographing a white bear in the snow. This means that your camera will tend to underexpose, resulting in a gray bear. You will need to compensate for this by overexposing by 1 to 1 1/3 stops depending on the whiteness of the bear (some are a light cream)"
Good luck.
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Black subject-under expose, white subject-over expose and that's all, I am surprised by the abundance of different opinions.
Gene51 wrote:
You don't need a gray card if you understand what you are doing. Meter the horse and adjust accordingly. The zone system is remarkably accurate and extremely convenient, and not hard to learn. Gray cards and incident meters are ok when you can get to the position of the subject and measure the light falling on the subject and the contrast range is within the camera's capability. I exclusively use an incident meter with a flash attachment in studio because it is the most convenient and accurate way to balance lighting. Outside, I use my "horse-sense" (yes, an intended pun), along with the in-camera spot meter to measure the actual light being reflected - I don't have to stop, walk over to the subject measure the light with a gray card, expodisk incident meter, etc and hope it doesn't move before I can get back to where I want to take the picture. The in-camera spot meter just makes more sense in terms of convenience and accuracy. I have had this discussion with several people, and can point out situations were it is just not practical to always use a gray card or an incident meter. Think of how you would do this at a late afternoon baseball game where you are in the stands, in the shade, and the ball players are on the field, some in shade (this could work), but the others are on the field in bright afternoon sunlight. Or how you would evaluate the exposure for a stage performance - a rock concert, a show, or even a speaker at a lectern who has a floodlight illuminating them. There is no way you will be able to use a gray card/incident meter to measure.
Learning and using the zone system is a fundamental skill - measuring what the camera "sees" is just as valid and accurate an approach as assuming that you can measure the light falling on the subject, and hope that the brightness range being reflected by the subject will be within the camera's dynamic range. Most of the time it is, but when it isn't the method fails.
Read and learn:
http://photography.tutsplus.com/tutorials/understanding-using-ansel-adams-zone-system--photo-5607http://www.normankoren.com/zonesystem.htmlhttp://www.alanrossphotography.com/category/tech/zonesystemandmetering/http://dpanswers.com/content/tech_zonesystem.phpAs far as professionals using fill flash with horses - that is generally forbidden, due to the unpredictability of the horse's reaction to the flash. I spend a few years shooting equestrian competitions in Westchester, Putnam and Fairfield counties in the NY metro area. No flash period.
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Technically, you're right, Gene. But if the OP is asking a question the way he did, I'd guess he probably needs to crawl and walk before he runs. Innocently, he probably just wanted an answer like, "f/8 and be there."
When I trained school photographers, we always started with simple, rote formulas. Once our troops mastered those, we explained the principles behind the formulas... which wasn't often, because 95% were not interested in knowing why. They just wanted reliable results, fast.
But for the five percent who cared, the zone system, spot metering, etc. made lots of sense. They had to have a grasp on what meters do, how incident, reflective, and spot meters work, the zone theory, and all the stuff in those linked tutorials (good stuff, BTW!). Once they understood that, they handled the tougher assignments.
The situations you described where incident readings, gray cards, and ExpoDiscs don't satisfy are very real, and I've encountered all of them and more. Pre-planning and site visits for pre-metering eliminate some issues. Knowing how to place tones in their zones handles more of it. Knowing a lot about the nature of light and light sources helps, too. Experience and testing fill in the gaps, and still, we always want better tools and knowledge.
phlash46 wrote:
Isn't this place wonderful? You get conflicting advice and then a cat fight breaks out over whom to listen to! Information and entertainment at no cost...
If you can auto bracket on your Canon, then do so. It'll certainly get you a good exposure.
Yep. It gets interesting when you get multiple and very different correct answers! Unfortunately, there are errors and BS mixed in...
Gene51
Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
burkphoto wrote:
Technically, you're right, Gene. But if the OP is asking a question the way he did, I'd guess he probably needs to crawl and walk before he runs. Innocently, he probably just wanted an answer like, "f/8 and be there."
When I trained school photographers, we always started with simple, rote formulas. Once our troops mastered those, we explained the principles behind the formulas... which wasn't often, because 95% were not interested in knowing why. They just wanted reliable results, fast.
But for the five percent who cared, the zone system, spot metering, etc. made lots of sense. They had to have a grasp on what meters do, how incident, reflective, and spot meters work, the zone theory, and all the stuff in those linked tutorials (good stuff, BTW!). Once they understood that, they handled the tougher assignments.
The situations you described where incident readings, gray cards, and ExpoDiscs don't satisfy are very real, and I've encountered all of them and more. Pre-planning and site visits for pre-metering eliminate some issues. Knowing how to place tones in their zones handles more of it. Knowing a lot about the nature of light and light sources helps, too. Experience and testing fill in the gaps, and still, we always want better tools and knowledge.
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Totally agree and that was in my first post - the simple answer is to measure what matters with the in-camera spotmeter and adjust accordingly. In this case, measure the horse, and decrease exposure by 2/3 stop. Works every time. If it were a white horse, measure the highlight area on the horse, and adjust exposure by plus 1-1/3 stop. Also works every time. The links were just in case the OP was curious and wanted to understand the reasoning behind this.
Simple, use a black camera.
boberic
Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
MTG44 wrote:
A friend of mine has asked me to photograph her horse . He is a very black horse and would like ask what settings to use to get as much detail as possible. Supposed to be a bright day and will be taken in pasture not a dirt rink and will be using 7D11 with 18-300 Sigma.
Bracket, Bracket, bracket
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