Talking about the issues: Who else here feels that there is often too much hard-line differentiation between 'left' and 'right'? It's ALWAYS a question of particular issues. If we...

Roger Hicks Loc: Aquitaine

Who else here feels that there is often too much hard-line differentiation between 'left' and 'right'? It's ALWAYS a question of particular issues. If we discuss individual issues rationally, instead of dismissing one another as 'brain dead rednecks' or 'commies', we learn a lot, and often, we find that we agree more than we disagree. This to me is the enormous value of the chit-chat part of UHH.

Any thoughts?

Cheers,

R.

ngc1514 Loc: Atlanta, Ga., Lancaster, Oh. and Stuart, Fl.

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about, you brain dead commie redneck!

donrent Loc: Punta Gorda , Fl

"Who else here feels that there is often too much hard-line differentiation between 'left' and 'right'?"
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Well, thats only because "there is" a huge diff between the "L" and "R"...
Use to be that both sides were "for the people" first and then their party line... Now, its Party First and people second especially the Progressive Democrats...
The "L" wants the Government to basically "control" the populace with BIG Government while the "R" wants lesser Federal Government control with the indivual states taking the lead for governing the populace...
Until the d"progressive element of the Democrate Party are stripped of their power it will continue on...

Roger Hicks Loc: Aquitaine

ngc1514 wrote:

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about, you brain dead commie redneck!

Dear Eric,

Guilty as charged!

Or alternatively, "Nor do you, ya ***** **** ****"

Cheers,

R.

Roger Hicks Loc: Aquitaine

donrent wrote:

"Who else here feels that there is often too ... (show quote)

Ummmm.... Isn't this actually part of the problem? "Until the extreme right of the Republican Party is stripped of its power..."

Cheers,

R.

ngc1514 Loc: Atlanta, Ga., Lancaster, Oh. and Stuart, Fl.

My take on the problem with the whole process is simple: the primary system.

The sole purpose of a political party is to meet in conclave, hammer out a party platform that best matches the party's political philosophy and then select the candidate they think best represents the party and its platform.

All of this has been lost in the primary election system.

tramsey Loc: Texas

The way I see it is that you're asking us to listen to the other person's understanding of a particular issue that is close to you with an open mind, attempting to see where they are coming from and their understanding of that issue.

Sounds like a radical unworkable idea to me, not that any of us are opinionated or anything

Roger Hicks Loc: Aquitaine

ngc1514 wrote:

My take on the problem with the whole process is simple: the primary system.

The sole purpose of a political party is to meet in conclave, hammer out a party platform that best matches the party's political philosophy and then select the candidate they think best represents the party and its platform.

All of this has been lost in the primary election system.

Ah... ZE PARTY!

My great-great-grandfather was a very rich man. After some unwise investments, he had to sell the steam yacht and bring his daughter (my great-grandmother) home from finishing school. Being a typical teenage rebel, she moved to the left. Indeed, she joined the Party in 1917. Her children were rather less left wing, and the next generation was even less so: her grandson (my father) started out on the left of the Conservative Party and is now, at 85 next birthday, on the right of it. I was very right wing until five years living in the USA (1987-1992) showed me what "right wing" really meant.

All of this has given me a deep distrust of voting ze party line, regardless of ze party. I am of course aware that there are those who will point to the story above as evidence that I am tainted by hereditary communism. They are among those who may fairly be labelled as brain-dead rednecks.

Cheers,

R.

donrent Loc: Punta Gorda , Fl

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Ummmm.... Isn't this actually part of the problem? "Until the extreme right of the Republican Party is stripped of its power..."

Cheers,

R.

donrent Loc: Punta Gorda , Fl

Where can you show me any damage to the nation that the R wings extremes have created damage ???
Just because they seem to be more religious, more , much more conservative, more apt to not take rights away, Less likely to "control" the populace and on and on and on... Personally speaking, I am not on the religious side, but nor do I condem it... I am not even a registered party member, AND when Obama first come upon the scene, I thought he was a "WOW" factor.... Then I started to check up on him and found out he was , if not more so, a much more radical progressive than even Roosevelt and how socialistic his thinking was... Do you want to see the Unions have more control than they have now ?? The Progressive liberals sure as hell do.... They have such control over the schools now that the young have NO idea what is going on...

Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.

Roger Hicks wrote:

Who else here feels that there is often too much hard-line differentiation between 'left' and 'right'? It's ALWAYS a question of particular issues. If we discuss individual issues rationally, instead of dismissing one another as 'brain dead rednecks' or 'commies', we learn a lot, and often, we find that we agree more than we disagree. This to me is the enormous value of the chit-chat part of UHH.

Any thoughts?

Cheers,

R.

I think one reason is that many people are misinformed and/or only partially informed. This comes, in my opinion, from using only one news outlet rather than several.
Another problem is that too many people are focused on name calling, denigration and blame placing rather than discussing the issues rationally.

phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO

Well no matter how you word it, It seems to me that no matter what party you vote for in the end the result is the same. More government control, more freedoms legislated away, personal responsibility and freedom devoured by a power hungry government that is out of control and spending money it does not have.
We are on a fast track to real problems and democrats as well as republicans are driving the train.

ngc1514 Loc: Atlanta, Ga., Lancaster, Oh. and Stuart, Fl.

phcaan wrote:

Well no matter how you word it, It seems to me that no matter what party you vote for in the end the result is the same. More government control, more freedoms legislated away, personal responsibility and freedom devoured by a power hungry government that is out of control and spending money it does not have.
We are on a fast track to real problems and democrats as well as republicans are driving the train.

Why blame the politicians? Aren't they giving the people exactly what the people want? Why else would WE vote them into office?

donrent Loc: Punta Gorda , Fl

" More government control, more freedoms legislated away, personal responsibility and freedom devoured by a power hungry government that is out of control and spending money it does not have."
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And who do we have to blame for that ???

donrent Loc: Punta Gorda , Fl

"Why blame the politicians? Aren't they giving the people exactly what the people want? Why else would WE vote them into office? "
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Excuse me..... But what is this "WE" crap... I can assure you that I sure as hell didn't, but "we" do have a certain portion of the population who don't have the sense what goes on and how to figure out WHAT goes on and are able to vote... THAT in my opinion is a fallicy of "ours"....