Becuse the light..............
Apr 27, 2016 18:10:58 #
Billyspad wrote:
Hmmmm They do not compare when people know generally, if I say nothing not even the pixel peepers realise its been changed. They become wise when I spill the beans min
I can tell, and I'm not very smart.
Apr 27, 2016 18:16:29 #
Rich1939 wrote:
Here is another shot from about 4 years ago that was taken because of the light. Other than leveling and exposure tweaking the only other post processing was done last night. I softened the image in ACR by pushing the haze filter to the left. This process will now be known as STTL. :)
Nice shot my man. When I saw it before reading your intro I thought it was a product of NIK filters. Soft Focus and Glamour Glow used together.
Would be nice to see the SOOC jpeg to see exactly what your tweaking added to it. However and whatever buttons you pushed they were the right ones.
Apr 27, 2016 18:17:23 #
Mark7829 wrote:
This is not just light alone but subject matter and composition. Light alone is somewhat meaningless.
Mark, conversely with flat or high contrast lighting the image wouldn't be worth much. There many images both here at UHH or shown in other forums that would be much better with different lighting.
Look at some of the old masters and see how they used light to convey a feeling in their paintings. A favorite old school photographer of mine is Frederick Evans. His work can be Googled. See how he used light to advantage
Apr 27, 2016 18:21:29 #
minniev wrote:
I can tell, and I'm not very smart.
No ya cant Lindas example of Tequila Sunrise got no comment from you it was a phony. I did a landscape you described in glowing terms that looked nothing like the original.
I do not think I ever post anything without altering the light in some way.
Apr 27, 2016 18:41:55 #
Billyspad wrote:
Nice shot my man. When I saw it before reading your intro I thought it was a product of NIK filters. Soft Focus and Glamour Glow used together.
Would be nice to see the SOOC jpeg to see exactly what your tweaking added to it. However and whatever buttons you pushed they were the right ones.
Would be nice to see the SOOC jpeg to see exactly what your tweaking added to it. However and whatever buttons you pushed they were the right ones.
Sure thing. Here is the original and as I said; some exposure and contrast tweaking and then STTL. (In ACR slide the haze filter left) and finally, crop.
Apr 27, 2016 18:57:31 #
Rich1939 wrote:
Sure thing. Here is the original and as I said; some exposure and contrast tweaking and then STTL. (In ACR slide the haze filter left) and finally, crop.
Well spotted photo opportunity my friend to end up with a superb result.
Its a well taken shot in the first place but you made it with software did you not? Nothing wrong with that, it is what its for. You took a well lit scene and turned it into a beautiful scene with soft lighting.
That's all down to you seeing what could be done and knowing how to use the software so take a bow. The camera played a supporting role in this shot by recording a well lit scene.
I know the straight truth is not as romantic or designed to make one seem as artistic when phrases such as capturing light are used but plain facts are just that. Your on top of your craft so who needs more?
Apr 27, 2016 19:00:28 #
Billyspad wrote:
...If you enjoy early mornings then that's great but its a fallacy that for this type of shot you need to drag yourself out of a warm bed.
So to newbies I say let the drugs and alcohol wear off, get a late breakfast and wander around at a sensible time of day lol
So to newbies I say let the drugs and alcohol wear off, get a late breakfast and wander around at a sensible time of day lol
Billy, at the top of page 3, Mark7829 replied to another of your comments with, ... the photographer finds the light, long before he begins to process. If that is done well, often times there is little to do in post. My point, work up front is the all important factor... not a two step, more like 90/10. Get it right in camera and you will do little or no correction but artistic optimization.
A distinction for newbies: if my tulip was shot in harsh mid-day sun, the pp would have been extensive to achieve the look posted. All I did was a slight detail extraction (in lieu of sharpening); the light was captured as shown.
When I said in my own thread that I shot for the light, I was referring to the angle of the sun casting those long shadows, the backlighting on the flowers, the softness of the clouds as lit from that angle. Certainly some proficient ppers could replicate all that - and have fun doing so, but if you have the opportunity to shoot it directly, the rewards are many - sometimes even worth getting up early for :)
Apr 27, 2016 19:00:47 #
Billyspad wrote:
No ya cant Lindas example of Tequila Sunrise got no comment from you it was a phony. I did a landscape you described in glowing terms that looked nothing like the original.
I do not think I ever post anything without altering the light in some way.
I do not think I ever post anything without altering the light in some way.
I would not call out you or anyone on the forum. When I like what you've done to alter the light, I may very well tell you I like the image. In the end it doesn't matter to me what's been done to it, what matters is the final product. With some, though, the work doesn't exactly match the photo.
Sometimes the magic works, and sometimes it doesn't. That's the way it is for all of us.
Apr 27, 2016 19:10:31 #
minniev wrote:
I would not call out you or anyone on the forum. When I like what you've done to alter the light, I may very well tell you I like the image. In the end it doesn't matter to me what's been done to it, what matters is the final product. With some, though, the work doesn't exactly match the photo.
Sometimes the magic works, and sometimes it doesn't. That's the way it is for all of us.
Sometimes the magic works, and sometimes it doesn't. That's the way it is for all of us.
Call me out without fear min. Its the only way I will get better. Like everyone I should post and be prepared to put up with honest opinion.
Honesty in critique improves people, saccharin coated words do nothing.
Should a sharing thread come along about use of light show the way and be honest with folks. The pat on the head the sharing topics have produced up to now appear to teach little and help no one.
So over to you to break the mould and lets see people REALLY helped with a little less praise for mediocrity and more honest critique.
I believe thats what FYC was started for?
Apr 27, 2016 19:10:36 #
minniev wrote:
I would not call out you or anyone on the forum. When I like what you've done to alter the light, I may very well tell you I like the image. In the end it doesn't matter to me what's been done to it, what matters is the final product. With some, though, the work doesn't exactly match the photo.
Sometimes the magic works, and sometimes it doesn't. That's the way it is for all of us.
Sometimes the magic works, and sometimes it doesn't. That's the way it is for all of us.
Call me out without fear min. Its the only way I will get better. Like everyone I should post and be prepared to put up with honest opinion.
Honesty in critique improves people, saccharin coated words do nothing.
Should a sharing thread come along about use of light show the way and be honest with folks. The pat on the head the sharing topics have produced up to now appear to teach little and help no one.
So over to you to break the mould and lets see people REALLY helped with a little less praise for mediocrity and more honest critique.
I believe thats what FYC was started for?
Apr 27, 2016 19:13:44 #
Rich1939 wrote:
Here is the original...
Rich, your artistic vision for this scene is very inspiring!
Apr 27, 2016 19:14:25 #
Linda From Maine wrote:
the rewards are many - sometimes even worth getting up early for :)
the rewards are many - sometimes even worth getting up early for :)
You mean forgo the drugs and alcohol the night before? Are you serious gal? Just for a snap of something that's gonna be there later!
Pass me the bong someone.
Apr 27, 2016 19:39:13 #
Billyspad wrote:
Call me out without fear min. Its the only way I w... (show quote)
The delivery of critique is always a work in progress. Everybody has their own way and I hope we will never have some rote formula we have to follow. My style is quite different from yours but rest assured that I always give honest feedback when I respond to an image, and if I choose not to respond to an image, it is certainly not out of fear.
There are different kinds of share threads, and some are more conducive to individual critique than others. We are learning as we do them which threads need critique and which are better with simple acknowledgement. With one recent share thread there were over 300 responses, which made critique an impossible task anyway. I look forward to the share thread about use of light. It should be interesting.
Apr 27, 2016 20:23:56 #
minniev wrote:
There are different kinds of share threads, and some are more conducive to individual critique than others. We are learning as we do them which threads need critique and which are better with simple acknowledgement. With one recent share thread there were over 300 responses, which made critique an impossible task anyway. I look forward to the share thread about use of light. It should be interesting.
There are different kinds of share threads, and some are more conducive to individual critique than others. We are learning as we do them which threads need critique and which are better with simple acknowledgement. With one recent share thread there were over 300 responses, which made critique an impossible task anyway. I look forward to the share thread about use of light. It should be interesting.
Not sure why 300 responses makes a simple critique impossible? Takes no longer to write than sweetie pie acknowledgements. Im quite happy to jot a quick opinion down on all posts but ask yourself if, because of the way these threads are set up, are folks ready for honesty.
Not an awful lot appears to have been learnt on share threads min. The initial bar is set incredibly low which results more often than not in the participants digging an image or two out of their archives purely to meet the criteria of a very simplistic thread. Invariably the posts are met with a banal type of commenting which amounts to a pat on the head for everyone. As this was the recipe for the first share thread and appears to have been the recipe for the last share thread who is learning what I ask? The folks posting the threads appear to have not progressed at all and the posters to such threads are swamped by a barrage of sugar flavoured banality so their chances of picking up knowledge is about zero.
A thread on light could actually be very good but will not move many forward in their skill set if moderate images at best are met with squeals of delight
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