A DIFFERENT TYPE OF PRESIDENT THEN
Apr 18, 2016 12:11:03 #
WOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is some history lesson !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A DIFFERENT TYPE OF PRESIDENT THEN
When Jefferson saw there was no negotiating with Muslims, he formed what is the now the Marines (sea going soldiers). These Marines were attached to U. S. Merchant vessels. When the Muslims attacked U.S. merchant vessels they were repulsed by armed soldiers, but there is more. The Marines followed the Muslims back to their villages and k**led every man, woman, and child in the village. It didn't take long for the Muslims to leave U.S. vessels alone.
English and French merchant vessels started running up our f**g when entering the Mediterranean to secure safe travel.
Why the Marine Hymn Contains the Verse "To the Shores of Tripoli"
This is very interesting and a must read piece of our history. It points out where we may be heading.
Most Americans are unaware of the fact that over two hundred years ago the United States had declared war on Islamic pirates and Thomas Jefferson led the charge!
At the height of the 18th century, the Barbary Pirates were the terror of the Mediterranean and a large area of the North Atlantic.
They attacked every ship in sight, and held the crews for exorbitant ransoms. Those taken hostage were subjected to barbaric treatment and wrote heart-breaking letters home, begging their government and family members to pay wh**ever their Mohammedan captors demanded.
These extortionists of the high seas represented the North African Islamic nations of Tripoli, Tunis, Morocco, and Algiers - collectively referred to as the Barbary Coast - and presented a dangerous and unprovoked threat to the new American Republic.
Before the Revolutionary War, U.S. merchant ships had been under the protection of Great Britain. When the U.S. declared its independence and entered into war, the ships of the United States were protected by France.
However, once the war was won, America had to protect its own fleets.
Thus, the birth of the U.S. Navy. Beginning in 1784, 17 years before he would become president, Thomas Jefferson became America's Minister to France. That same year, the U.S. Congress sought to appease its Muslim adversaries by following in the footsteps of European nations who paid bribes to the Barbary States rather than engaging them in war.
In July of 1785, Algerian pirates captured American ships, and the Dye of Algiers demanded an unheard-of ransom of $60,000.
It was a plain and simple case of extortion, and Thomas Jefferson was vehemently opposed to any further payments. Instead, he proposed to Congress the formation of a coalition of allied nations who together could force the Islamic states into peace. A disinterested Congress decided to pay the ransom.
In 1786, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams met with Tripoli's ambassador to Great Britain to ask by what right his nation attacked American ships and ens***ed American citizens, and why Muslims held so much hostility towards America, a nation with which they had no previous contacts.
The two future presidents reported that Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja had answered that Islam "was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Q'uran that all nations who would not acknowledge their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make s***es of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Musselman (Muslim) who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise."
Despite this stunning admission of premeditated violence on non-Muslim nations, as well as the objections of many notable American leaders, including George Washington, who warned that caving in was both wrong and would only further embolden the enemy, for the following fifteen years the American government paid the Muslims millions of dollars for the safe passage of American ships or the return of American hostages. The payments in ransom and tribute amounted to over 20 percent of the United States government annual revenues in 1800.
Jefferson was disgusted. Shortly after his being sworn in as the third President of the United States in 1801, the Pasha of Tripoli sent him a note demanding the immediate payment of $225,000 plus $25,000 a year for every year forthcoming. That changed everything.
Jefferson let the Pasha know, in no uncertain terms, what he could do with his demand. The Pasha responded by cutting down the f**gpole at the American consulate and declared war on the United States. Tunis, Morocco, and Algiers immediately followed suit. Jefferson, until now, had been against America raising a naval force for anything beyond coastal defense, but, having watched his nation be cowed by Islamic thuggery for long enough, decided that it was finally time to meet force with force.
He dispatched a squadron of frigates to the Mediterranean and taught the Muslim nations of the Barbary Coast a lesson he hoped they would never forget. Congress authorized Jefferson to empower U.S. ships to seize all vessels and goods of the Pasha of Tripoli and to "cause to be done all other acts of precaution or hostility as the state of war would justify".
When Algiers and Tunis, who were both accustomed to American cowardice and acquiescence, saw the newly independent United States had both the will and the right to strike back, they quickly abandoned their allegiance to Tripoli. The war with Tripoli lasted for four more years, and raged up again in 1815. The bravery of the U.S. Marine Corps in these wars led to the line "to the shores of Tripoli" in the Marine Hymn, and they would forever be known as "leathernecks" for the leather collars of their uniforms, designed to prevent their heads from being cut off by the Muslim scimitars when boarding enemy ships.
Islam, and what its Barbary followers justified doing in the name of their prophet and their god, disturbed Jefferson quite deeply.
America had a tradition of religious tolerance. In fact Jefferson, himself, had co-authored the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, but fundamentalist Islam was like no other religion the world had ever seen. A religion based on supremacy, whose holy book not only condoned but mandated violence against unbelievers, was unacceptable to him. His greatest fear was that someday this brand of Islam would return and pose an even greater threat to the United States.
This should concern every American. That Muslims have brought about women-only classes and swimming times at taxpayer-funded universities and public pools; that Christians, Jews, and Hindus have been banned from serving on juries where Muslim defendants are being judged; Piggy banks and Porky Pig tissue dispensers have been banned from workplaces because they offend Islamist sensibilities; ice cream has been discontinued at certain Burger King locations because the picture on the wrapper looks similar to the Arabic script for Allah; public schools are pulling pork from their menus; on and on and on and on .
It's death by a thousand cuts, or inch-by-inch as some refer to it, and most Americans have no idea that this battle is being waged every day across America. By not fighting back, by allowing groups to obfuscate what is really happening, and not insisting that the Islamists adapt to our own culture, the United States is cutting its own throat with a politically correct knife, and helping to further the radical Islamist agenda. Sadly, it appears that today America's STUPID leaders would rather be politically correct than victorious!
If you have any doubts about the above information, Google "Thomas Jefferson vs. the Muslim World"
A DIFFERENT TYPE OF PRESIDENT THEN
When Jefferson saw there was no negotiating with Muslims, he formed what is the now the Marines (sea going soldiers). These Marines were attached to U. S. Merchant vessels. When the Muslims attacked U.S. merchant vessels they were repulsed by armed soldiers, but there is more. The Marines followed the Muslims back to their villages and k**led every man, woman, and child in the village. It didn't take long for the Muslims to leave U.S. vessels alone.
English and French merchant vessels started running up our f**g when entering the Mediterranean to secure safe travel.
Why the Marine Hymn Contains the Verse "To the Shores of Tripoli"
This is very interesting and a must read piece of our history. It points out where we may be heading.
Most Americans are unaware of the fact that over two hundred years ago the United States had declared war on Islamic pirates and Thomas Jefferson led the charge!
At the height of the 18th century, the Barbary Pirates were the terror of the Mediterranean and a large area of the North Atlantic.
They attacked every ship in sight, and held the crews for exorbitant ransoms. Those taken hostage were subjected to barbaric treatment and wrote heart-breaking letters home, begging their government and family members to pay wh**ever their Mohammedan captors demanded.
These extortionists of the high seas represented the North African Islamic nations of Tripoli, Tunis, Morocco, and Algiers - collectively referred to as the Barbary Coast - and presented a dangerous and unprovoked threat to the new American Republic.
Before the Revolutionary War, U.S. merchant ships had been under the protection of Great Britain. When the U.S. declared its independence and entered into war, the ships of the United States were protected by France.
However, once the war was won, America had to protect its own fleets.
Thus, the birth of the U.S. Navy. Beginning in 1784, 17 years before he would become president, Thomas Jefferson became America's Minister to France. That same year, the U.S. Congress sought to appease its Muslim adversaries by following in the footsteps of European nations who paid bribes to the Barbary States rather than engaging them in war.
In July of 1785, Algerian pirates captured American ships, and the Dye of Algiers demanded an unheard-of ransom of $60,000.
It was a plain and simple case of extortion, and Thomas Jefferson was vehemently opposed to any further payments. Instead, he proposed to Congress the formation of a coalition of allied nations who together could force the Islamic states into peace. A disinterested Congress decided to pay the ransom.
In 1786, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams met with Tripoli's ambassador to Great Britain to ask by what right his nation attacked American ships and ens***ed American citizens, and why Muslims held so much hostility towards America, a nation with which they had no previous contacts.
The two future presidents reported that Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja had answered that Islam "was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Q'uran that all nations who would not acknowledge their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make s***es of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Musselman (Muslim) who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise."
Despite this stunning admission of premeditated violence on non-Muslim nations, as well as the objections of many notable American leaders, including George Washington, who warned that caving in was both wrong and would only further embolden the enemy, for the following fifteen years the American government paid the Muslims millions of dollars for the safe passage of American ships or the return of American hostages. The payments in ransom and tribute amounted to over 20 percent of the United States government annual revenues in 1800.
Jefferson was disgusted. Shortly after his being sworn in as the third President of the United States in 1801, the Pasha of Tripoli sent him a note demanding the immediate payment of $225,000 plus $25,000 a year for every year forthcoming. That changed everything.
Jefferson let the Pasha know, in no uncertain terms, what he could do with his demand. The Pasha responded by cutting down the f**gpole at the American consulate and declared war on the United States. Tunis, Morocco, and Algiers immediately followed suit. Jefferson, until now, had been against America raising a naval force for anything beyond coastal defense, but, having watched his nation be cowed by Islamic thuggery for long enough, decided that it was finally time to meet force with force.
He dispatched a squadron of frigates to the Mediterranean and taught the Muslim nations of the Barbary Coast a lesson he hoped they would never forget. Congress authorized Jefferson to empower U.S. ships to seize all vessels and goods of the Pasha of Tripoli and to "cause to be done all other acts of precaution or hostility as the state of war would justify".
When Algiers and Tunis, who were both accustomed to American cowardice and acquiescence, saw the newly independent United States had both the will and the right to strike back, they quickly abandoned their allegiance to Tripoli. The war with Tripoli lasted for four more years, and raged up again in 1815. The bravery of the U.S. Marine Corps in these wars led to the line "to the shores of Tripoli" in the Marine Hymn, and they would forever be known as "leathernecks" for the leather collars of their uniforms, designed to prevent their heads from being cut off by the Muslim scimitars when boarding enemy ships.
Islam, and what its Barbary followers justified doing in the name of their prophet and their god, disturbed Jefferson quite deeply.
America had a tradition of religious tolerance. In fact Jefferson, himself, had co-authored the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, but fundamentalist Islam was like no other religion the world had ever seen. A religion based on supremacy, whose holy book not only condoned but mandated violence against unbelievers, was unacceptable to him. His greatest fear was that someday this brand of Islam would return and pose an even greater threat to the United States.
This should concern every American. That Muslims have brought about women-only classes and swimming times at taxpayer-funded universities and public pools; that Christians, Jews, and Hindus have been banned from serving on juries where Muslim defendants are being judged; Piggy banks and Porky Pig tissue dispensers have been banned from workplaces because they offend Islamist sensibilities; ice cream has been discontinued at certain Burger King locations because the picture on the wrapper looks similar to the Arabic script for Allah; public schools are pulling pork from their menus; on and on and on and on .
It's death by a thousand cuts, or inch-by-inch as some refer to it, and most Americans have no idea that this battle is being waged every day across America. By not fighting back, by allowing groups to obfuscate what is really happening, and not insisting that the Islamists adapt to our own culture, the United States is cutting its own throat with a politically correct knife, and helping to further the radical Islamist agenda. Sadly, it appears that today America's STUPID leaders would rather be politically correct than victorious!
If you have any doubts about the above information, Google "Thomas Jefferson vs. the Muslim World"
Apr 18, 2016 13:10:17 #
Apr 18, 2016 13:19:17 #
Opus wrote:
It sounds like it would make a good t***h... to fit the Fox narrative.http://www.politifact.com/t***h-o-meter/statements/2015/feb/11/chain-email/barbary-wars-did-us-declare-war-islam/
Quote:
The Barbary powers were Muslim, and religion sometimes crops up in the historical record. But historians agree that the overriding motivation of American military action against the Barbary pirates was to secure a vital national interest, namely protecting the U.S. merchant fleet and its ability to conduct international trade. They see no evidence that Jefferson or his contemporaries were undertaking a religious holy war. So we rate the claim False.
Apr 18, 2016 14:53:38 #
Opus wrote:
http://www.politifact.com/t***h-o-meter/statements/2015/feb/11/chain-email/barbary-wars-did-us-declare-war-islam/
Politifact? Really? What a great source. They spend most of their time defending MUSLIM atrocities.
The polifact article you posted is just ANOTHER OPINION piece. Can you really be that ignorant and uninformed of our country's history? You say you live in Michigan. What happened did you just drop down from Canada?
The article you posted pretty much states the muslim religion or religion had nothing to do with the Barbary Wars. That is horses**t. The Barbary Corsairs themselves stated that the intended purpose of their pirate attacks (as far north as Iceland and Denmark by the way) was to capture and secure CHRISTIAN s***es for the muslim s***e markets.
You and politifact conveniently left that out, did't you?
Religion had everything to do with it.
You and politifact, just more terrorist defenders. Jeez.
You will note that in the third reference I have provided that the Berbers themselves stated the justification for piracy and the war was because it was "written in the Koran".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_Wars
http://www.uswars.net/barbary-war/
http://www.city-journal.org/html/jefferson-versus-muslim-pirates-13013.html
Apr 18, 2016 14:55:45 #
greenie wrote:
It sounds like it would make a good t***h... to fit the Fox narrative.
That is good greenie, yet another terrorist defender.
It sounds like it would make a good t***h... to fit the Fox narrative.
That is good greenie, yet another terrorist defender.
Apr 18, 2016 15:57:06 #
Nobody is defending terrorist, just pointing out that the Untied states actions were predicated on economics and the protection of United States citizens, not religion. Yes the pirates were muslims and neither I nor or anybody else is defending their actions. If the same was happening today I would be the first to call for their extermination, as I believe the only possible solution to ISIS is to wipe them off of the planet.
There is an important lesson to be learned from a paragraph from your linked article: There were many AmericansJohn Adams among themwho made the case that it was better policy to pay the tribute. It was cheaper than the loss of trade, for one thing, and a battle against the pirates would be too rugged for our people to bear. Putting the matter starkly, Adams said: We ought not to fight them at all unless we determine to fight them forever.
That is the kind of thinking that hampers us from dealing with what is going on in the world today. When you get into a fight, fight to win it, draws are not acceptable. Containing ISIS is a myth. We either defeat them or pay the consequences. Unlike the Barbary pirates todays fight is about religion and about a group of crazy people trying to bring about world domination by radical Islam.
There is an important lesson to be learned from a paragraph from your linked article: There were many AmericansJohn Adams among themwho made the case that it was better policy to pay the tribute. It was cheaper than the loss of trade, for one thing, and a battle against the pirates would be too rugged for our people to bear. Putting the matter starkly, Adams said: We ought not to fight them at all unless we determine to fight them forever.
That is the kind of thinking that hampers us from dealing with what is going on in the world today. When you get into a fight, fight to win it, draws are not acceptable. Containing ISIS is a myth. We either defeat them or pay the consequences. Unlike the Barbary pirates todays fight is about religion and about a group of crazy people trying to bring about world domination by radical Islam.
Apr 18, 2016 16:02:21 #
Opus wrote:
Nobody is defending terrorist, just pointing out t... (show quote)
Fine.
Opus, just making the point that the Barbary wars had a lot to do with religion. Specifically the intolerance of islam. One always needs to be aware of that. There is no talking with these people.
It was about the intolerance that the koran advocated then and it is about the intolerance that the koran advocates now. Period.
Apr 18, 2016 18:37:26 #
And, in passing, the Marines were founded in 1775, long before Jefferson became President.
Semper Fi, Mac!
Semper Fi, Mac!
Apr 18, 2016 18:45:28 #
Terrymac wrote:
WOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is some history lesson ... (show quote)
Good post but you will probably get reprimanded for titling in all caps. Get ready.
Apr 20, 2016 15:52:03 #
Thanks I already have.
idaholover wrote:
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