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Apr 9, 2016 10:18:47   #
Bloke Loc: Waynesboro, Pennsylvania
 
jcboy3 wrote:
I got back late from a concert I shot, but I wanted to see the pics so I loaded them into Lightroom, did a preliminary scan/delete, and then went to rename the files. And noticed that the rename was taking a long time, so I checked the status bar and it was busily renaming thousands of files.

I got caught by the notorious Lightroom feature that you cannot delete files from disk when looking at them in a collection, so you have to be in "All Photographs". After deleting files, I did not go back to the collection but selected all and renamed.

Gasp. This wiped out a lot of work renaming files with model and performer name included. This would take forever to fix.

So I reloaded from my last backup, and then corrected what I had done since then, and voila...back in business. I had to back up both the photos folder and Lightroom catalog folder, which I back up at the same time.

So remember, boys and girls, always be safe and backup regularly.
I got back late from a concert I shot, but I wante... (show quote)


This is a lesson that we all learn, sooner or later... Most people only need to learn it once, fortunately!

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Apr 9, 2016 10:18:57   #
Capture48 Loc: Arizona
 
kd7eir wrote:
It makes zero sense that you cannot delete a file via a pointer to that file. It's lazy programming plain and simple. Since the collection knows where to find that file based upon the pointer that it created, it can easily perform any file action on that photo. This is not a feature, it's called crap programming.

BTW - EVERY TIME you click on a filename on a computer, you are clicking on a POINTER FILE. That filename is NOT the file, it's a pointer that says "Go to this sector and read the xxx bytes back." Based upon this REALITY of computer science, Adobe's decision to not allow deleting files from a collection is pure BS.
It makes zero sense that you cannot delete a file ... (show quote)

What a load of crap..You really don't know what you're talking about. How is Adobe supposed to know if the user wants to delete from the collection, or from the disk. No it makes perfect sense and it prevents brain dead users from doing just what the OP did by going to "All Photographs" ,and selecting all in a collection and deleting them from the disk..

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Apr 9, 2016 10:31:08   #
kd7eir Loc: Tucson, AZ
 
Capture48 wrote:
What a load of crap..You really don't know what you're talking about. How is Adobe supposed to know if the user wants to delete from the collection, or from the disk. No it makes perfect sense and it prevents brain dead users from doing just what the OP did by going to "All Photographs" ,and selecting all in a collection and deleting them from the disk..


I happen to be a computer programmer, so I know EXACTLY what I am talking about. MOST software that uses any sort of collection system (iTunes, Windows Media Player are two examples) simply PROMPTS THE USER "Do you want to remove this file from the library or delete it permanently" THAT IS CALLED INTELLIGENT PROGRAMMING.

Your statement "and it prevents brain dead users from doing just what the OP did" is nonsensical and delusional, since if "and it prevents brain dead users from doing just what the OP did" then HOW did the OP do it? It PREVENTED NOTHING, and CAUSED A GREATER LOSS.

Feel free to continue your pathological defense of Adobe, thinking people can see that you are merely emotionally attached to an inanimate object, which is a pathological condition in it's own right.

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Apr 9, 2016 10:39:38   #
Capture48 Loc: Arizona
 
kd7eir wrote:
I happen to be a computer programmer, so I know EXACTLY what I am talking about. MOST software that uses any sort of collection system (iTunes, Windows Media Player are two examples) simply PROMPTS THE USER "Do you want to remove this file from the library or delete it permanently" THAT IS CALLED INTELLIGENT PROGRAMMING.

Your statement "and it prevents brain dead users from doing just what the OP did" is nonsensical and delusional, since if "and it prevents brain dead users from doing just what the OP did" then HOW did the OP do it? It PREVENTED NOTHING, and CAUSED A GREATER LOSS.

Feel free to continue your pathological defense of Adobe, thinking people can see that you are merely emotionally attached to an inanimate object, which is a pathological condition in it's own right.
I happen to be a computer programmer, so I know EX... (show quote)

I've been writing code since the days of PAL & COBOL, I know just what I'm talking about. And it did prevent the OP from removing all photos because he had to go somewhere else to do that. This is a simple programming decision made by a programmer. Its easy to second guess why its done, but you know as well as I do that this is not a simple program. It deals with databases and record locks, and these are an entire different animal than normal OOP's. You blame programming because someone selected all photos and hit delete. Not the programs fault

I am not an Adobe fan boy either, I believe there are many things that can be improved, I regularly make suggestions to Adobe. You are the one that seems to be a pathological attack for some reason. What is your dog in this fight?

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Apr 9, 2016 10:45:34   #
FrumCA
 
Billyspad wrote:
Another good reason to steer clear of Lightroom is what I read here.
So if you make a simple human error it renames all your photos for you huh.

And folks actually PAY for LR?

LR is a great product if you understand it. Seems like there's always something to learn.

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Apr 9, 2016 10:49:50   #
kd7eir Loc: Tucson, AZ
 
Capture48 wrote:
I've been writing code since the days of PAL & COBOL, I know just what I'm talking about. And it did prevent the OP from removing all photos because he had to go somewhere else to do that. This is a simple programming decision made by a programmer. Its easy to second guess why its done, but you know as well as I do that this is not a simple program. It deals with databases and record locks, and these are an entire different animal than normal OOP's. You blame programming because someone selected all photos and hit delete. Not the programs fault

I am not an Adobe fan boy either, I believe there are many things that can be improved, I regularly make suggestions to Adobe. You are the one that seems to be a pathological attack for some reason. What is your dog in this fight?
I've been writing code since the days of PAL &... (show quote)


My dog in the fight started with YOUR STATEMENT "brain dead users" so take a long, hard look in the mirror to find the genesis of my response.

Calling people names such as "brain dead" is cyber bullying (I doubt that you would call someone such a name to their face), and I will call you out every single time you commit such an act.

Making such statements proves that you are borderline narcissistic and believe that you are superior to others. (And before you enquire as to my qualifications for making such a statement, my FIRST master's degree is in development psychology, my SECOND master's degree is in software design and programming.)

EVERY program that uses catalogs uses databases and record locks, so your point is moot. The method used by software such as iTunes and Windows Media Player works PERFECTLY for the MILLIONS OF USERS of those products, so there is zero rationale for Adobe to be different.

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Apr 9, 2016 11:24:28   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
kd7eir wrote:
It makes zero sense that you cannot delete a file via a pointer to that file. It's lazy programming plain and simple. Since the collection knows where to find that file based upon the pointer that it created, it can easily perform any file action on that photo. This is not a feature, it's called crap programming.

BTW - EVERY TIME you click on a filename on a computer, you are clicking on a POINTER FILE. That filename is NOT the file, it's a pointer that says "Go to this sector and read the xxx bytes back." Based upon this REALITY of computer science, Adobe's decision to not allow deleting files from a collection is pure BS.
It makes zero sense that you cannot delete a file ... (show quote)


Bad programing to delete an object in use. You can have multiple links to a file but say deleting a dektop shortcut should not delete the file it links too. Only when there are no other pointers referencing an object should you delete the object. Otherwise you are likely to run into trouble when a pointer is used referencing what is now garbage because you thought it was no longer in use.

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Apr 9, 2016 12:07:55   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
jcboy3 wrote:
I got back late from a concert I shot, but I wanted to see the pics so I loaded them into Lightroom, did a preliminary scan/delete, and then went to rename the files. And noticed that the rename was taking a long time, so I checked the status bar and it was busily renaming thousands of files.

I got caught by the notorious Lightroom feature that you cannot delete files from disk when looking at them in a collection, so you have to be in "All Photographs". After deleting files, I did not go back to the collection but selected all and renamed.

Gasp. This wiped out a lot of work renaming files with model and performer name included. This would take forever to fix.

So I reloaded from my last backup, and then corrected what I had done since then, and voila...back in business. I had to back up both the photos folder and Lightroom catalog folder, which I back up at the same time.

So remember, boys and girls, always be safe and backup regularly.
I got back late from a concert I shot, but I wante... (show quote)


I do backups before I even look at images in any editor.
--Bob

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Apr 9, 2016 12:11:38   #
FrumCA
 
rmalarz wrote:
I do backups before I even look at images in any editor.
--Bob

Ditto.
:thumbup: :thumbup:

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Apr 9, 2016 16:42:00   #
Capture48 Loc: Arizona
 
As I thought, I was not 100% sure, so I waited until I got home from my shoot this morning. This is a case of someone not knowing what the heck they are talking about.

Not only can you delete a file from a collection, but you can also rename one. So wonder what the Adobe haters have to say now after opening their big mouths about bad programming because you can't delete from collections. I will say however that you need to be at lease half as smart as an Adobe programmer, but they gave you a very simple way to do both of these things.

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