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Apr 5, 2016 13:26:20   #
abc1234 Loc: Elk Grove Village, Illinois
 
Has anyone tested one yet? I wonder how the noise level compares with the 60D. Because the sensor is a few stops faster, I would presume the noise has gone down too at the lower ISO's.

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Apr 5, 2016 13:40:05   #
MT Shooter Loc: Montana
 
abc1234 wrote:
Has anyone tested one yet? I wonder how the noise level compares with the 60D. Because the sensor is a few stops faster, I would presume the noise has gone down too at the lower ISO's.


It has the same sensor as the Rebel T6S, which is much better in low light than the 60D ever was. I would expect similar performance but I have not received the 80D yet.

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Apr 5, 2016 15:11:37   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
MT Shooter wrote:
It has the same sensor as the Rebel T6S, which is much better in low light than the 60D ever was. I would expect similar performance but I have not received the 80D yet.

Everything I've read indicates the 80D sensor is not identical to the 760D. Similar in some respects, but not the same. It's a new design with wider DR at lower ISO settings. Among other things, the 80D sensor has dual pixel AF, the 760D does not. The pixel sizes also appear to be different.

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Apr 5, 2016 15:33:26   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
It is not identical, the 80D's sensor has slightly larger pixels than the T6s.

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Apr 6, 2016 10:05:20   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
I don't think many people have gotten out and shot with an 80D yet... They just came in stock at B&H within the past few days.

According to some of the early reviews, Canon appears to have eliminated some of the circuitry by doing on-sensor A/D conversion and that's giving the camera added dynamic range and better image noise control.

I'm more intrigued by the new AF system, apparently unique to the 80D, which on paper seems quite a step up: 45-points, able to focus down to -3EV (i.e. "moonlight", same as a few central AF points on 5DIII and 1DX), with 27 points f8-capable. That's lots more f8 points than the 7DII, 5DIII, 5DS/5DS-R or 1DXII, which have between one and five f8-capable points. In comparison, 70D has 19-point AF and 60D 9-point, both around -1EV, with one f5.6-capable (center AF point). The low light focusing capability should go hand-in-hand with the sensor's low light capture abilities.

OTOH, like 70D and 60D before it, 80D doesn't have dual image processors or appear to have the discrete chip driving AF, the way the 7DII and 1D-series do. Since it "shares" the processor for AF and image handling, it may not be quite as good tracking movement, though it doesn't have as fast frame rate either so this may not be real noticeable in use. Although 7 frames per second is pretty darned fast, 80D apears not quite as sports/action-oriented as 7D-series and 1DX-series.

It's 100% viewfinder with 0.95X magnification is a modest improvement, too... First in the series with 100% VF... that's up from 98%/0.95X in 70D, 96%/0.95X in 60D and only slightly shy of the 7DII's 100%/1.0X.

All in all, 80D sounds like it is going to be quite a nice camera. We'll see soon... I'm sure some of the early adopters are out shooting with theirs now.

Google for 80D reviews from some folks who got their hands on early copies and have had a chance to shoot with them.

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Apr 6, 2016 10:45:57   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
amfoto1 wrote:
I don't think many people have gotten out and shot with an 80D yet... They just came in stock at B&H within the past few days.

According to some of the early reviews, Canon appears to have eliminated some of the circuitry by doing on-sensor A/D conversion and that's giving the camera added dynamic range and better image noise control.

I'm more intrigued by the new AF system, apparently unique to the 80D, which on paper seems quite a step up: 45-points, able to focus down to -3EV (i.e. "moonlight", same as a few central AF points on 5DIII and 1DX), with 27 points f8-capable. That's lots more f8 points than the 7DII, 5DIII, 5DS/5DS-R or 1DXII, which have between one and five f8-capable points. In comparison, 70D has 19-point AF and 60D 9-point, both around -1EV, with one f5.6-capable (center AF point). The low light focusing capability should go hand-in-hand with the sensor's low light capture abilities.

OTOH, like 70D and 60D before it, 80D doesn't have dual image processors or appear to have the discrete chip driving AF, the way the 7DII and 1D-series do. Since it "shares" the processor for AF and image handling, it may not be quite as good tracking movement, though it doesn't have as fast frame rate either so this may not be real noticeable in use. Although 7 frames per second is pretty darned fast, 80D apears not quite as sports/action-oriented as 7D-series and 1DX-series.

It's 100% viewfinder with 0.95X magnification is a modest improvement, too... First in the series with 100% VF... that's up from 98%/0.95X in 70D, 96%/0.95X in 60D and only slightly shy of the 7DII's 100%/1.0X.

All in all, 80D sounds like it is going to be quite a nice camera. We'll see soon... I'm sure some of the early adopters are out shooting with theirs now.

Google for 80D reviews from some folks who got their hands on early copies and have had a chance to shoot with them.
I don't think many people have gotten out and shot... (show quote)


I picked one up on Saturday 4/2 at the local Canon distributor. It came with the new EF-S 18-135 lens which I haven't tried out yet. I haven't had the opportunity to give it a really good workout but on day 1 I did manage to photograph a few birds and took the 80D to an orchid show. So far the images it has produced are really good. Work and weather has not allowed me to do much with it so far this week but the suns out and I'm planning on taking it out for a test run down by the river, at lunch time.

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Apr 6, 2016 11:09:11   #
abc1234 Loc: Elk Grove Village, Illinois
 
Thanks guys for the information. I am not seeing much in the way of in-depth reviews yet. The two big things for me are the improved viewfinder autofocus and noise. The new technology looks great on paper but I want to know how good it is in the real world. I am likely to replace my 60D with the 80D soon enough because the reality is that newer is almost always better, especially when you skip an update. I have mulled over mirrorless, especially the new Samsung, but the lens situation is the deal-breaker.

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Apr 6, 2016 11:21:07   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
abc1234 wrote:
Thanks guys for the information. I am not seeing much in the way of in-depth reviews yet. The two big things for me are the improved viewfinder autofocus and noise. The new technology looks great on paper but I want to know how good it is in the real world. I am likely to replace my 60D with the 80D soon enough because the reality is that newer is almost always better, especially when you skip an update. I have mulled over mirrorless, especially the new Samsung, but the lens situation is the deal-breaker.
Thanks guys for the information. I am not seeing ... (show quote)


I don't want to tell you how to spend your money but, I do own a 60D and a 70D and just the minimal time I've spent with my new 80D, I can tell it's a superior camera, even though they all look quite a bit alike.

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Apr 6, 2016 11:25:52   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
abc1234 wrote:
Thanks guys for the information. I am not seeing much in the way of in-depth reviews yet. The two big things for me are the improved viewfinder autofocus and noise. The new technology looks great on paper but I want to know how good it is in the real world. I am likely to replace my 60D with the 80D soon enough because the reality is that newer is almost always better, especially when you skip an update. I have mulled over mirrorless, especially the new Samsung, but the lens situation is the deal-breaker.
Thanks guys for the information. I am not seeing ... (show quote)


The 80D betters the 60D in a significant number of ways. Whether you will see a major improvement in what you shoot will depend on what you shoot, the light you shoot it in, and your skill using the camera. The best camera in the world will take lousy photos in the hands of someone who doesn't understand light and composition or the exposure triangle.

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Apr 6, 2016 11:37:50   #
abc1234 Loc: Elk Grove Village, Illinois
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
I don't want to tell you how to spend your money but, I do own a 60D and a 70D and just the minimal time I've spent with my new 80D, I can tell it's a superior camera, even though they all look quite a bit alike.


That is best of both worlds. I like the improvements in performance while keeping the familiar look and feel.

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Apr 6, 2016 11:37:50   #
jgunkler
 
Does the 80D have built- in GPS? Sound recording adjustment?

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Apr 6, 2016 11:43:45   #
abc1234 Loc: Elk Grove Village, Illinois
 
mwsilvers wrote:
The 80D betters the 60D in a significant number of ways. Whether you will see a major improvement in what you shoot will depend on what you shoot, the light you shoot it in, and your skill using the camera. The best camera in the world will take lousy photos in the hands of someone who doesn't understand light and composition or the exposure triangle.


I have been shooting seriously since 1959 and spent 50 years doing my own developing and printing. If I only had digital back then.... I love my 60D but find the autofocus and noise great big pains. I do not want to go to professional, full-frame so I accepted the shortcomings of the 60D. Still, it is a great camera. I just happen to want to improve on those two problems. Your thoughts are on the money.

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Apr 6, 2016 12:45:19   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
amfoto1 wrote:
I don't think many people have gotten out and shot with an 80D yet... They just came in stock at B&H within the past few days.

According to some of the early reviews, Canon appears to have eliminated some of the circuitry by doing on-sensor A/D conversion and that's giving the camera added dynamic range and better image noise control.

I'm more intrigued by the new AF system, apparently unique to the 80D, which on paper seems quite a step up: 45-points, able to focus down to -3EV (i.e. "moonlight", same as a few central AF points on 5DIII and 1DX), with 27 points f8-capable. That's lots more f8 points than the 7DII, 5DIII, 5DS/5DS-R or 1DXII, which have between one and five f8-capable points. In comparison, 70D has 19-point AF and 60D 9-point, both around -1EV, with one f5.6-capable (center AF point). The low light focusing capability should go hand-in-hand with the sensor's low light capture abilities.

OTOH, like 70D and 60D before it, 80D doesn't have dual image processors or appear to have the discrete chip driving AF, the way the 7DII and 1D-series do. Since it "shares" the processor for AF and image handling, it may not be quite as good tracking movement, though it doesn't have as fast frame rate either so this may not be real noticeable in use. Although 7 frames per second is pretty darned fast, 80D apears not quite as sports/action-oriented as 7D-series and 1DX-series.

It's 100% viewfinder with 0.95X magnification is a modest improvement, too... First in the series with 100% VF... that's up from 98%/0.95X in 70D, 96%/0.95X in 60D and only slightly shy of the 7DII's 100%/1.0X.

All in all, 80D sounds like it is going to be quite a nice camera. We'll see soon... I'm sure some of the early adopters are out shooting with theirs now.

Google for 80D reviews from some folks who got their hands on early copies and have had a chance to shoot with them.
I don't think many people have gotten out and shot... (show quote)


If the 80D is f8 capable, that will possibly make it a better static bird shooter than either the 1Dx or the 7dll since it has a lot more megapixels for feather detail. For Canon, f8 is huge in a $1000 body!!
Plus the AF sounds like it could handle light sports pretty well. I'm sure the buffer is pretty small though.
If the sensor can handle -3ev of sensitivity then the noise in low light has to be better as well. ;-)
SS

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Apr 6, 2016 13:07:40   #
abc1234 Loc: Elk Grove Village, Illinois
 
What do you mean by f/8 capable?

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Apr 6, 2016 14:37:11   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
abc1234 wrote:
What do you mean by f/8 capable?


It mean that if you use a lens like an f/5.6 telephoto along with a an extender the maximum aperture for the combination would become f/8. Under those circumstances you would not be able to auto focus on most Canon dslrs since Canon is specified to AF only a maximum aperture of f/5.6 or wider.(That's a maximum aperture. It doesn't mean you can't use AF on a wider aperture lens that's been stopped down to f/8)

On the Canon 1Dx, the Canon 7D Mark II and now on the 80D, these cameras will AF if the maximum aperture if f/8. In fact the 80D, depending on the lens used will AF at f/8 with 27 different focus points.

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