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Mar 29, 2016 08:54:42   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
UXOEOD wrote:
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Why is it our forefathers saw the threat, but our current administrations cannot?


I suspect our forefathers were provided a special "gift", or at least inspiration from the Allmighty. Now, over 200 years later, we're must continue on with mere men for leaders, and the wisdom left by our founders. Pray for our nations, our time, our civilization, and our victory.

Thank you for the well written, well thought-out, and hopefully, well heeded advise.[/quote]

So this “gosht and inspiration from the almighty” must include the separation of Church and State? Since this thread seems to revolve around Jefferson worship, perhaps you would like to illuminate how that this gift and inspiration inspire the deists (including Jefferson and Washington) and the atheists among our Founders?

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Mar 29, 2016 08:58:38   #
davidheald1942 Loc: Mars (the planet)
 
gmcase wrote:
That is a great article but it has one fairly obvious historical error. Jefferson, one my heroes, did not "form" the Marines. They were formed in 1775, prior to the actual founding of our country. Jefferson didn't take office until 1801, a full 26 years later. Regardless, he saw the threat and eliminated it, exactly what we should do today.


November 10 1775 to be exact. Simper Fi,.,.,.

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Mar 29, 2016 09:16:20   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
Penny MG wrote:
Sent to me in an email.


Heed the warning! Do not let history repeat itself!




Jefferson was a great American president, I just didn't know how great!!!!









When Thomas Jefferson saw there was no negotiating with Muslims, he formed what is now the Marines (sea going soldiers). These Marines were attached to U. S. Merchant vessels. When the Muslims attacked U.S. merchant vessels they were repulsed by armed soldiers, but there is more.
The Marines followed the Muslims back to their villages and k**led every man, woman, and child in the village.
It didn't take long for the Muslims to leave U.S. Merchant vessels alone.

English and French merchant vessels started running up our f**g when entering the Mediterranean to secure safe travel.
Why the Marine Hymn contains the verse, "To the Shores of Tripoli".

This is very interesting and a must read piece of our history. It points out where we may be heading.

Most Americans are unaware of the fact that over two hundred years ago the United States had declared war on Islam, and Thomas Jefferson led the charge!
At the height of the 18th century, Muslim pirates (the "Barbary Pirates") were the terror of the Mediterranean and a large area of the North Atlantic. They attacked every ship in sight, and held the crews for exorbitant ransoms. Those taken hostage were subjected to barbaric treatment and wrote heart-breaking letters home, begging their governments and families to pay wh**ever their Mohammedan captors demanded.

These extortionists of the high seas represented the North African Islamic nations of Tripoli, Tunis, Morocco, and Algiers - collectively referred to as the Barbary Coast - and presented a dangerous and unprovoked threat to the new American Republic. Before the Revolutionary War, U.S. merchant ships had been under the protection of Great Britain. When the U.S. declared its independence and entered into war, the ships of the United States were protected by France.
However, once the war was won, America had to protect its own fleets.

Thus, the birth of the U.S. Navy. Beginning in 1784, 17 years before he would become president, Thomas Jefferson became America's Minister to France. That same year, the U.S. Congress sought to appease its Muslim adversaries by following in the footsteps of European nations who paid bribes to the Barbary States rather than engaging them in war. In July of 1785, Algerian pirates captured American ships, and the Dye of Algiers demanded an unheard-of ransom of $60,000. It was a plain and simple case of extortion, and Thomas Jefferson was vehemently opposed to any further payments.
Instead, he proposed to Congress the formation of a coalition of allied nations who together could force the Islamic states into peace.
A disinterested Congress decided to pay the ransom.

In 1786, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams met with Tripoli's ambassador to Great Britain to ask by what right his nation attacked American ships and ens***ed American citizens, and why Muslims held so much hostility towards America, a nation with which they had no previous contacts. The two future presidents reported that Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja had answered that Islam "was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Quran that all nations who would not acknowledge their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make s***es of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Musselman (Muslim) who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise." Despite this stunning admission of premeditated violence on non-Muslim nations, as well as the objections of many notable American leaders, including George Washington, who warned that caving in was both wrong and would only further embolden the enemy, for the following fifteen years the American government paid the Muslims millions of dollars for the safe passage of American ships or the return of American hostages.
The payments in ransom and tribute amounted to over 20 percent of the United States government annual revenues in 1800.

Jefferson was disgusted. Shortly after his being sworn in as the third President of the United States in 1801, the Pasha of Tripoli sent him a note demanding the immediate payment of $225,000 plus $25,000 a year for every year forthcoming. That changed everything.

Jefferson let the Pasha know, in no uncertain terms, what he could do with his demand. The Pasha responded by cutting down the f**gpole at the American consulate and declared war on the United States. Tunis, Morocco, and Algiers immediately followed suit.




Jefferson, until now, had been against America raising a naval force for anything beyond coastal defense,but, having watched his nation be cowed by Islamic thuggery for long enough, decided that it was finally time to meet force with force.
He dispatched a squadron of frigates to the Mediterranean and taught the Muslim nations of the Barbary Coast a lesson he hoped they would never forget. Congress authorized Jefferson to empower U.S. ships to seize all vessels and goods of the Pasha of Tripoli and to "cause to be done all other acts of precaution or hostility as the state of war would justify".



When Algiers and Tunis, who were both accustomed to American cowardice and acquiescence, saw the newly independent United States had both the will and the right to strike back, they quickly abandoned their allegiance to Tripoli. The war with Tripoli lasted for four more years, and raged up again in 1815. The bravery of the U.S. Marine Corps in these wars led to the line "to the shores of Tripoli" in the Marine Hymn, and they would forever be known as "leathernecks" for the leather collars of their uniforms, designed to prevent their heads from being cut off by the Muslim scimitars when boarding enemy ships. Islam, and what its Barbary followers justified doing in the name of their prophet and their god, disturbed Jefferson quite deeply. America had a tradition of religious tolerance. In fact Jefferson, himself, had co-authored the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, but fundamentalist Islam was like no other religion the world had ever seen.

A religion based on supremacy, whose holy book not only condoned but mandated violence against unbelievers, was unacceptable to him.

His greatest fear was that someday this brand of Islam would return and pose an even greater threat to the United States. This should concern every American. That Muslims have brought about women-only classes and swimming times at taxpayer-funded universities and public pools; that Christians, Jews, and Hindus have been banned from serving on juries where Muslim defendants are being judged; Piggy banks and Porky Pig tissue dispensers have been banned from workplaces because they offend Islamist sensibilities; ice cream has been discontinued at certain Burger King locations because the picture on the wrapper looks similar to the Arabic script for Allah; public schools are pulling pork from their menus; on and on and on and on..

It's death by a thousand cuts, or inch-by-inch as some refer to it, and most Americans have no idea that this battle is being waged every day across America. By not fighting back, by allowing groups to obfuscate what is really happening, and not insisting that the Islamists adapt to our culture, the United States is cutting its own throat with a politically correct knife, and helping to further the Islamists' agenda.

Sadly, it appears that today America's leaders would rather be politically correct than victorious!

If you have any doubts about the above information, Google "Thomas Jefferson vs. the Muslim World." Verified by T***h or Fiction Jefferson vs. Muslim Pirates


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Why is it our forefathers saw the threat, but our current administrations cannot?
Sent to me in an email. br br br Heed the warnin... (show quote)


First of all, this has already been posted.

Beyond that, the entire thing is a study in misdirection, and you fell for it.

The history, which as far as I know is entirely true, is about Pirates. They were collecting money for passage, and it is a good thing Jefferson stopped them.

However, it was not a religious issue. You have taken an historical act for which Jefferson was justly famous and projected onto the entire 1.6 Billion Muslim population.

Muslims are not all pirates, and the Pirates had nothing to do with any current Muslim issues.

Very few--if any--politicians today would compare with Thomas Jefferson, and you and your mis-directed history and unconnected relevance wouldn't either.

The two things jus' ain't the same....

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Mar 29, 2016 09:18:17   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
Jackinthebox wrote:

Don't argue with a fool. He will only d**g you down to his level and beat you with experience.

Libtards, please do not respond to my posts. Start your own and show your incompetence.

The goal of socialism is c*******m. - Vladimir Lenin


The goal of Islam is to k**l you.







understand Barfhead?


The Muslims are coming! Run for your lives! The Muslims are coming!

Hide! Fear Them!!

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Mar 29, 2016 09:21:11   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
Jackinthebox wrote:

Why is it our forefathers saw the threat, but our current administrations cannot?


Our forefathers didn't see it either until their noses were shoved into it and it also started to hurt their pocket books.

Our current administrators are just plain stupid. They have run the greatest nation into receivership and don't have a clue what to do other than line their own pockets.

Our Numero Uno is a heavy mooslim sympathizer and will sell us all down the drain. The libs are to dumb to see it.

We are very very lucky to have a very very smart guy like Trump who loves this country more than money and is capable to get us back on track.

Ironically the 2nd front runner has shown that his motives are unclean.

The totally moronic l*****t-socialist demorats have the most corrupt person running while she has repeatedly shown her incompetence. go figure.
b br Why is it our forefathers saw the threat, b... (show quote)


You have my sincere sympathy.

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Mar 29, 2016 09:24:26   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
gmcase wrote:
This is what happens when you let a dedicated America h**er to hold the highest office in the land.


If you seriously believe Obama is a Dedicated America H**er, I offer you my sincere sympathy for your condition.

Perhaps with maturity, it will pass.

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Mar 29, 2016 09:26:49   #
moabarch Loc: Moab, UT
 
Jackinthebox wrote:

Don't argue with a fool. He will only d**g you down to his level and beat you with experience.

Libtards, please do not respond to my posts. Start your own and show your incompetence.

The goal of socialism is c*******m. - Vladimir Lenin


The goal of Islam is to k**l you.





understand Barfhead?


Sometime you should try responding to the actual comments you quote. My entire post referred to Drimpf. Your response was, well, not related. Please pay attention.

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Mar 29, 2016 09:26:56   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
BigBear wrote:
I didn't let him. He's an occupying squatter of the WH as well as a t*****rous POP.


Remember WE elected him twice, and his holding the White House is entirely legal and proper.

You may look forward to January of 2017 when he will leave, and Hillary will occupy the White House.

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Mar 29, 2016 09:29:13   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
Wrangler wrote:
Very informative. Thank you for your reminder that the United States of America is a country built on tolerance of all races, creeds and religions. We have tolerated all but we have protected our own. It is my opinion that we should continue with that policy. We stopped Hitler's genocide at great cost to our Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines. That burden was not limited not borne by service men and women alone. It was carried by the entire country. Perhaps it is time to stop the modern genocide.

I for one do not understand why the Marine Hymn's line "we will fight for right and freedom" seems to have changed to "we will fight for political correctness."
Very informative. Thank you for your reminder that... (show quote)


If you look at who's boss it will help you understand.

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Mar 29, 2016 09:31:14   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
Bazbo wrote:
So this “gosht and inspiration from the almighty” must include the separation of Church and State? Since this thread seems to revolve around Jefferson worship, perhaps you would like to illuminate how that this gift and inspiration inspire the deists (including Jefferson and Washington) and the atheists among our Founders?


Deists mostly, not Christians, certainly. They believed God set the universe in motion, like an eight-day clock, then wandered on to other things.

Thomas Jefferson edited the bible to reflect his beliefs.

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Mar 29, 2016 09:31:52   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
Bazbo wrote:
So this “gosht and inspiration from the almighty” must include the separation of Church and State? Since this thread seems to revolve around Jefferson worship, perhaps you would like to illuminate how that this gift and inspiration inspire the deists (including Jefferson and Washington) and the atheists among our Founders?


Our forefather leaders sought out God. Now only the ones you despise do that.

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Mar 29, 2016 09:38:28   #
Penny MG Loc: Fresno, Texas
 
Twardlow wrote:
First of all, this has already been posted.

Beyond that, the entire thing is a study in misdirection, and you fell for it.

The history, which as far as I know is entirely true, is about Pirates. They were collecting money for passage, and it is a good thing Jefferson stopped them.

However, it was not a religious issue. You have taken an historical act for which Jefferson was justly famous and projected onto the entire 1.6 Billion Muslim population.

Muslims are not all pirates, and the Pirates had nothing to do with any current Muslim issues.

Very few--if any--politicians today would compare with Thomas Jefferson, and you and your mis-directed history and unconnected relevance wouldn't either.

The two things jus' ain't the same....
First of all, this has already been posted. br br... (show quote)


You call it misdirection and true in the same breath....Furthermore, I said it was sent to me in an email. I posted it for comments. And it seems that you refuse to look at PATTERNS from the past and see how they correlate with the present.

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Mar 29, 2016 09:41:13   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
Twardlow wrote:
Deists mostly, not Christians, certainly. They believed God set the universe in motion, like an eight-day clock, then wandered on to other things.

Thomas Jefferson edited the bible to reflect his beliefs.


I know you won't read this because it is a really big book for you to have to suffer through with that handicapped intellect but just take a look inside. warning: you may find some enlightenment.

http://www.amazon.com/George-Washingtons-Sacred-Peter-Lillback/dp/0978605268

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Mar 29, 2016 09:48:45   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
Penny MG wrote:
Sent to me in an email.


Heed the warning! Do not let history repeat itself!




Jefferson was a great American president, I just didn't know how great!!!!









When Thomas Jefferson saw there was no negotiating with Muslims, he formed what is now the Marines (sea going soldiers). These Marines were attached to U. S. Merchant vessels. When the Muslims attacked U.S. merchant vessels they were repulsed by armed soldiers, but there is more.
The Marines followed the Muslims back to their villages and k**led every man, woman, and child in the village.
It didn't take long for the Muslims to leave U.S. Merchant vessels alone.

English and French merchant vessels started running up our f**g when entering the Mediterranean to secure safe travel.
Why the Marine Hymn contains the verse, "To the Shores of Tripoli".

This is very interesting and a must read piece of our history. It points out where we may be heading.

Most Americans are unaware of the fact that over two hundred years ago the United States had declared war on Islam, and Thomas Jefferson led the charge!
At the height of the 18th century, Muslim pirates (the "Barbary Pirates") were the terror of the Mediterranean and a large area of the North Atlantic. They attacked every ship in sight, and held the crews for exorbitant ransoms. Those taken hostage were subjected to barbaric treatment and wrote heart-breaking letters home, begging their governments and families to pay wh**ever their Mohammedan captors demanded.

These extortionists of the high seas represented the North African Islamic nations of Tripoli, Tunis, Morocco, and Algiers - collectively referred to as the Barbary Coast - and presented a dangerous and unprovoked threat to the new American Republic. Before the Revolutionary War, U.S. merchant ships had been under the protection of Great Britain. When the U.S. declared its independence and entered into war, the ships of the United States were protected by France.
However, once the war was won, America had to protect its own fleets.

Thus, the birth of the U.S. Navy. Beginning in 1784, 17 years before he would become president, Thomas Jefferson became America's Minister to France. That same year, the U.S. Congress sought to appease its Muslim adversaries by following in the footsteps of European nations who paid bribes to the Barbary States rather than engaging them in war. In July of 1785, Algerian pirates captured American ships, and the Dye of Algiers demanded an unheard-of ransom of $60,000. It was a plain and simple case of extortion, and Thomas Jefferson was vehemently opposed to any further payments.
Instead, he proposed to Congress the formation of a coalition of allied nations who together could force the Islamic states into peace.
A disinterested Congress decided to pay the ransom.

In 1786, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams met with Tripoli's ambassador to Great Britain to ask by what right his nation attacked American ships and ens***ed American citizens, and why Muslims held so much hostility towards America, a nation with which they had no previous contacts. The two future presidents reported that Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja had answered that Islam "was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Quran that all nations who would not acknowledge their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make s***es of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Musselman (Muslim) who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise." Despite this stunning admission of premeditated violence on non-Muslim nations, as well as the objections of many notable American leaders, including George Washington, who warned that caving in was both wrong and would only further embolden the enemy, for the following fifteen years the American government paid the Muslims millions of dollars for the safe passage of American ships or the return of American hostages.
The payments in ransom and tribute amounted to over 20 percent of the United States government annual revenues in 1800.

Jefferson was disgusted. Shortly after his being sworn in as the third President of the United States in 1801, the Pasha of Tripoli sent him a note demanding the immediate payment of $225,000 plus $25,000 a year for every year forthcoming. That changed everything.

Jefferson let the Pasha know, in no uncertain terms, what he could do with his demand. The Pasha responded by cutting down the f**gpole at the American consulate and declared war on the United States. Tunis, Morocco, and Algiers immediately followed suit.




Jefferson, until now, had been against America raising a naval force for anything beyond coastal defense,but, having watched his nation be cowed by Islamic thuggery for long enough, decided that it was finally time to meet force with force.
He dispatched a squadron of frigates to the Mediterranean and taught the Muslim nations of the Barbary Coast a lesson he hoped they would never forget. Congress authorized Jefferson to empower U.S. ships to seize all vessels and goods of the Pasha of Tripoli and to "cause to be done all other acts of precaution or hostility as the state of war would justify".



When Algiers and Tunis, who were both accustomed to American cowardice and acquiescence, saw the newly independent United States had both the will and the right to strike back, they quickly abandoned their allegiance to Tripoli. The war with Tripoli lasted for four more years, and raged up again in 1815. The bravery of the U.S. Marine Corps in these wars led to the line "to the shores of Tripoli" in the Marine Hymn, and they would forever be known as "leathernecks" for the leather collars of their uniforms, designed to prevent their heads from being cut off by the Muslim scimitars when boarding enemy ships. Islam, and what its Barbary followers justified doing in the name of their prophet and their god, disturbed Jefferson quite deeply. America had a tradition of religious tolerance. In fact Jefferson, himself, had co-authored the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, but fundamentalist Islam was like no other religion the world had ever seen.

A religion based on supremacy, whose holy book not only condoned but mandated violence against unbelievers, was unacceptable to him.

His greatest fear was that someday this brand of Islam would return and pose an even greater threat to the United States. This should concern every American. That Muslims have brought about women-only classes and swimming times at taxpayer-funded universities and public pools; that Christians, Jews, and Hindus have been banned from serving on juries where Muslim defendants are being judged; Piggy banks and Porky Pig tissue dispensers have been banned from workplaces because they offend Islamist sensibilities; ice cream has been discontinued at certain Burger King locations because the picture on the wrapper looks similar to the Arabic script for Allah; public schools are pulling pork from their menus; on and on and on and on..

It's death by a thousand cuts, or inch-by-inch as some refer to it, and most Americans have no idea that this battle is being waged every day across America. By not fighting back, by allowing groups to obfuscate what is really happening, and not insisting that the Islamists adapt to our culture, the United States is cutting its own throat with a politically correct knife, and helping to further the Islamists' agenda.

Sadly, it appears that today America's leaders would rather be politically correct than victorious!

If you have any doubts about the above information, Google "Thomas Jefferson vs. the Muslim World." Verified by T***h or Fiction Jefferson vs. Muslim Pirates


Comment:
Why is it our forefathers saw the threat, but our current administrations cannot?
Sent to me in an email. br br br Heed the warnin... (show quote)


And here is proof the founders knew we would not be exempt from potential evil tyranny! It's called Article V

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/03/29/states-rights-advocates-eye-convention-to-bypass-congress-amend-constitution.html

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Mar 29, 2016 10:02:07   #
BigBear Loc: Northern CT
 
Twardlow wrote:
Remember WE elected him twice, and his holding the White House is entirely legal and proper.

You may look forward to January of 2017 when he will leave, and Hillary will occupy the White House.


People only accepted it when the SC claimed that the undocumented immigrant was legal. That does not mean he is.
He is still undocumented

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