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Mar 10, 2016 14:11:50   #
NeilL Loc: British-born Canadian
 
skylane5sp wrote:
I'm actually kind of flattered that someone spent the time and effort to create a f**e persona on a PHOTOGRAPHY forum just to try and insult me. I must be getting to them...


He and thom w are stalkers.

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Mar 10, 2016 14:12:46   #
NeilL Loc: British-born Canadian
 
skylane5sp wrote:
I'm actually kind of flattered that someone spent the time and effort to create a f**e persona on a PHOTOGRAPHY forum just to try and insult me. I must be getting to them...


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Mar 10, 2016 14:15:09   #
Keenan Loc: Central Coast California
 
skylane5sp wrote:
I'm actually kind of flattered that someone spent the time and effort to create a f**e persona on a PHOTOGRAPHY forum just to try and insult me. I must be getting to them...


If you are suspecting it was me, ask yourself this: Have I ever held back telling you exactly what I think about you straight up? I don't need to send you pm's with f**e personas. I never have and never will. Not my style.

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Mar 10, 2016 14:44:03   #
skylane5sp Loc: Puyallup, WA
 
Don't really give a rip who it was. Good for a laugh, though... Especially when there are posters here that say far worse s**t than I would even think of posting.

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Mar 10, 2016 15:01:03   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
skylane5sp wrote:
Don't really give a rip who it was. Good for a laugh, though... Especially when there are posters here that say far worse s**t than I would even think of posting.


I'm not attacking or anything but I wouldn't pat myself on the back just because you can point to someone worse.

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Mar 10, 2016 15:19:52   #
skylane5sp Loc: Puyallup, WA
 
Yeah, I'm just "out there" aren't I...

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Mar 10, 2016 15:35:29   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
skylane5sp wrote:
Yeah, I'm just "out there" aren't I...


Don't know for sure who you are replying to but if it was me, I didn't say that. I just think we should be careful who we compare ourselves to. Compared to someone sleeping on the street I'm very successful. Compared to someone gasping for their last breath I'm extremely fit. Compared to some on this forum you are the height of civility. None of that is meaningful.

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Mar 10, 2016 15:42:09   #
Keenan Loc: Central Coast California
 
thom w wrote:
I'm not attacking or anything but I wouldn't pat myself on the back just because you can point to someone worse.


Isn't that the only thing right wingers are capable of doing every time they try to justify their behavior - point the finger at someone else ("Mommy, he did it first" or "Mommy, he did it worse" )? Have you ever seen them capable of a higher lever of maturity? I haven't.

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Mar 10, 2016 15:47:39   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Keenan wrote:
Isn't that the only thing right wingers are capable of doing every time they try to justify their behavior - point the finger at someone else ("Mommy, he did it first" or "Mommy, he did it worse" )? Have you ever seen them capable of a higher lever of maturity? I haven't.


Some yes, some no. I'm constantly hoping that many on this site aren't representative but I'm not sure. I don't like overgeneralizing. If you can find a post where I do that, then I'm embarrassed but it doesn't change anything.

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Mar 10, 2016 15:56:28   #
Keenan Loc: Central Coast California
 
thom w wrote:
Some yes, some no. I'm constantly hoping that many on this site aren't representative but I'm not sure. I don't like overgeneralizing. If you can find a post where I do that, then I'm embarrassed but it doesn't change anything.


I don't think it is just this site. It appears to be a general behavior pattern of right wingers, from the top of the political "leadership" all the way down. There are exceptions, of course, but they generally seek the low road to get their way and when caught, pull out the broken record justification. Rarely if ever do I hear right wingers aspire to a higher ethical standard, even if all sides agree to play by the same rules. Just look at the dozen or so methods the GOP has been using to steal e******ns and suppress v**es across the country over the last few decades. Why isn't Kenneth Blackwell or Katherine Harris or Karl Rove in jail for what the've done to deny collectively millions of citizens, mostly minorities, the right to have their v**es counted, or even the right to v**e at all? If anyone expresses outrage, they will usually first deny it, or if they can't deny it then they will say, "what about Democratic corruption in Chicago back in nineteen eighty something or other" for example.

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Mar 10, 2016 16:31:36   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
Keenan wrote:
I don't think it is just this site. It appears to be a general behavior pattern of right wingers, from the top of the political "leadership" all the way down. There are exceptions, of course, but they generally seek the low road to get their way and when caught, pull out the broken record justification. Rarely if ever do I hear right wingers aspire to a higher ethical standard, even if all sides agree to play by the same rules. Just look at the dozen or so methods the GOP has been using to steal e******ns and suppress v**es across the country over the last few decades. Why isn't Kenneth Blackwell or Katherine Harris or Karl Rove in jail for what the've done to deny collectively millions of citizens, mostly minorities, the right to have their v**es counted, or even the right to v**e at all? If anyone expresses outrage, they will usually first deny it, or if they can't deny it then they will say, "what about Democratic corruption in Chicago back in nineteen eighty something or other" for example.
I don't think it is just this site. It appears to ... (show quote)


And just how have the people that you named tried to deny anyone the ability to v**e?

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Mar 10, 2016 16:50:03   #
Keenan Loc: Central Coast California
 
boberic wrote:
And just how have the people that you named tried to deny anyone the ability to v**e?


I'll give you a few links that are a good start to the issue and those will point you to further evidence and sources if you are really interested in finding the t***h. There is a mountain of evidence for their e*******l shenanigans. I predict you will not want to really know the t***h and will look for reasons to reject it out of hand and not delve any further, based on what I've seen.

Free For All! - One Dude's Quest to Save Democracy! A documentary from 2008 by John Ennis uncovering misconducts and c***ting in the US p**********l e******ns
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--Db2kbs67M

How They Stole Ohio
http://www.gregpalast.com/how-they-stole-ohio/

S****n E******ns Unit:
Belzer and Palast on Air America Radio
http://www.gregpalast.com/stolen-e******ns-unit-belzer-and-palast-on-air-america-radio/

E******n F***d : The BRAD BLOG - articles on e******n shenanigans from 2004 all the way up to the present
http://bradblog.com/?cat=106

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Mar 10, 2016 18:56:28   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
Keenan wrote:
I'll give you a few links that are a good start to the issue and those will point you to further evidence and sources if you are really interested in finding the t***h. There is a mountain of evidence for their e*******l shenanigans. I predict you will not want to really know the t***h and will look for reasons to reject it out of hand and not delve any further, based on what I've seen.

Free For All! - One Dude's Quest to Save Democracy! A documentary from 2008 by John Ennis uncovering misconducts and c***ting in the US p**********l e******ns
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--Db2kbs67M

How They Stole Ohio
http://www.gregpalast.com/how-they-stole-ohio/

S****n E******ns Unit:
Belzer and Palast on Air America Radio
http://www.gregpalast.com/stolen-e******ns-unit-belzer-and-palast-on-air-america-radio/

E******n F***d : The BRAD BLOG - articles on e******n shenanigans from 2004 all the way up to the present
http://bradblog.com/?cat=106
I'll give you a few links that are a good start to... (show quote)


All this "evidence" is from 8-12 years ago and none of the folks that you mentioned are in any of those pieces. Is there v**er irregululations- probably. But the surest way to solve the problem is v**er ID. whitch you of course reject. I need ID to rent a car. buy beer, boy postage stamps. fly. check in to a hospital. But not to v**e. How do you propose to "fix" v**er irregularity?

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Mar 11, 2016 10:22:55   #
NeilL Loc: British-born Canadian
 
Keenan wrote:
I don't think it is just this site. It appears to be a general behavior pattern of right wingers, from the top of the political "leadership" all the way down. There are exceptions, of course, but they generally seek the low road to get their way and when caught, pull out the broken record justification. Rarely if ever do I hear right wingers aspire to a higher ethical standard, even if all sides agree to play by the same rules. Just look at the dozen or so methods the GOP has been using to steal e******ns and suppress v**es across the country over the last few decades. Why isn't Kenneth Blackwell or Katherine Harris or Karl Rove in jail for what the've done to deny collectively millions of citizens, mostly minorities, the right to have their v**es counted, or even the right to v**e at all? If anyone expresses outrage, they will usually first deny it, or if they can't deny it then they will say, "what about Democratic corruption in Chicago back in nineteen eighty something or other" for example.
I don't think it is just this site. It appears to ... (show quote)


"Methinks thou and thine alter ego, thom w, doth protest too much."

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Mar 11, 2016 14:45:34   #
Keenan Loc: Central Coast California
 
boberic wrote:
All this "evidence" is from 8-12 years ago and none of the folks that you mentioned are in any of those pieces. Is there v**er irregululations- probably. But the surest way to solve the problem is v**er ID. whitch you of course reject. I need ID to rent a car. buy beer, boy postage stamps. fly. check in to a hospital. But not to v**e. How do you propose to "fix" v**er irregularity?


V**er irregularities? Nice attempt at diversion. None of the links above were about "v**er irregularities" which credible research has proven only resulted in perhaps a few dozen illegally cast v**es over the last couple of decades out of billions of v**es - your red herring. I'm discussing e*******l f***d that has effected millions of v**es nationally since 2000, not the non-existent "v**er irregularities problem" that the GOP continues trotting out as a fig leaf to cover for their v**e suppression tactics.

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