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Feb 10, 2016 23:36:20   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
How do you determine what size is 100%?

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Feb 10, 2016 23:41:08   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
I use the free Hornil Photo Viewer to look at my pics, and I set the view to 100%. This tells me how good my focus was and how much noise I have. The viewer also displays exif data and a histogram for each pic. I delete all but the best pics for each session I shoot.
kayakbob wrote:
I am refering to my culling process for "keepers". I am not "pixel peeping". I am curious as to what others do in their selection process.
I believe that monitors are typically considered to display at 72 or 96 ppi and I am assuming that.what I am refering to as softness is "Pixelation"
akin to the "Jaggies" effect when a raster image is enlarged to much.
When applying sharpening to an image, I do so at 100%.
I also understand that the viewing distance is also a factor in the perceived image sharpness, the same as it is with prints.
I am refering to my culling process for "keep... (show quote)

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Feb 11, 2016 01:41:55   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
SteveR wrote:
How do you determine what size is 100%?

It's a "100% Crop". That is a section cropped out of the original that is then displayed in a window that has pixel dimensions that are 100% the size of the section viewed. The significant point is that the section is not resampled to a fit the viewing window.

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Feb 11, 2016 05:58:30   #
dannac Loc: 60 miles SW of New Orleans
 
kayakbob wrote:
I am curious as to what others do in their selection process.


Shoot sports for local newspaper. Most of the time with a deadline to meet. I use Fast Picture Viewer.

Free trial at http://www.fastpictureviewer.com/

Reads SD card fast from a USB 3 card reader.
One key press copies image I'm keeping to folder of my choosing.

Hop over to Lightroom and import the folder.

Trash images stay on SD card and get formatted by camera.

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Feb 11, 2016 10:25:54   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
camerapapi wrote:
I would spend my time making pictures than concerned about sharpness.
Today's lenses are better than ever and I would dare to say that it is rare to use a lens that will not do its part when we do ours. Sharpness depends more on us than on the lens.
If I were you I would stop worrying about sharpness and would spend more time making pictures.


While what you said is certainly correct, sharpness concerns are probably due more to AF inconsistency or the need for MFA, assuming the lens is in good shape and good technique is used.

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Feb 11, 2016 11:30:59   #
SwedeUSA2
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Err... The scale also depends on the camera sensor...

Just saying.


I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to say here considering the meaning of "just saying":

"a phrase used to indicate that we refuse to defend a claim we've made---in other words, that we refuse to offer reasons that what we've said is true"

"a term coined to be used at the end of something insulting or offensive to take the heat off you when you say it."

What do you say?
Just asking!

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Feb 11, 2016 11:37:10   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
kayakbob wrote:
At what percentage of the image size (1-100%) is considered optimal for judging the sharpness of a image on a monitor?
Camera is Canon 60D (18 MP), Images are Large RAW, monitors are 23" - 27", differen't computers.
Monitors are set for 1080 x 1920 resolution.
I know that the images appear sharper at 25% than they do at 100%.
Off hand I don't remember the exact Pixel Count of images, but believe it is roughly 4,700 x 3,500.
Typically look great at 25 -30% but soft at 100% +
Bob
At what percentage of the image size (1-100%) is c... (show quote)


If they don't look sharp at 100%, they aren't sharp.

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Feb 11, 2016 12:08:55   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
CatMarley wrote:
If they don't look sharp at 100%, they aren't sharp.

That's a very high standard if you are using a 36-50 MP sensor - almost impossible to achieve. To do so you would need to use a tripod and optimize your aperture to avoid diffraction.

A more reasonable standard would be to use the largest print that you are likely to ever produce with a consumer grade printer on 13x19 inch paper. For most of us that would be a print about 12x18 inches which calls for less than 20 MP at 300 pixels per inch. Even then, 300 ppi is significant only if your normal viewer plans to get within 10 inches of the print. That might call for about 100% for a 20 MP sensor, 75% for 36 MP or 65% for 50 MP.

The only reason you might want to use 100% is if you plan to significantly crop your image or make a much larger print.

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Feb 11, 2016 12:15:31   #
jackm1943 Loc: Omaha, Nebraska
 
kayakbob wrote:
At what percentage of the image size (1-100%) is considered optimal for judging the sharpness of a image on a monitor?
Camera is Canon 60D (18 MP), Images are Large RAW, monitors are 23" - 27", differen't computers.
Monitors are set for 1080 x 1920 resolution.
I know that the images appear sharper at 25% than they do at 100%.
Off hand I don't remember the exact Pixel Count of images, but believe it is roughly 4,700 x 3,500.
Typically look great at 25 -30% but soft at 100% +
Bob
At what percentage of the image size (1-100%) is c... (show quote)

I would suggest that you blow the monitor image up to the actual size it will be printed at. Eg, if you are printing an 8x10 print, blow the picture up so that it is about 8x10 on your monitor. If you have a reasonably good monitor, you should be able to determine if it looks sharp.

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Feb 11, 2016 12:28:53   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
The real question is if a picture is sharper than another at a 100% crop, will the difference be noticeable if the picture is displayed at maybe 25% or 30% on a 20" lcd screen or 11"x14" print? I believe it probably does, or why else would print photographers be using 50MP digital Hasselblads for their advertising work appearing in glossy magazine ads?

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Feb 11, 2016 13:09:52   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
selmslie wrote:
That's a very high standard if you are using a 36-50 MP sensor - almost impossible to achieve.


I agree since most of us do not own 50MP cameras, nor do we want to. I would guess the average is a 6000x 4000 mp file. I routinely judge my shots by whether they look sharp on my monitor at 100%. If they don't, they go into the trash. As I said, if they are not sharp at 100%, they are less than sharp!

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Feb 11, 2016 13:28:47   #
DWU2 Loc: Phoenix Arizona area
 
100%

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Feb 11, 2016 13:35:49   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
67% for me - lots of overkill at 100 ......

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Feb 11, 2016 13:43:24   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
Bobspez wrote:
... why else would print photographers be using 50MP digital Hasselblads for their advertising work appearing in glossy magazine ads?

A cynical answer might be, because they can afford it, they can write off the expense and it gives them credibility to their clients. More than one wedding photographer has admitted that they use medium format because it made them look more professional to their clients and allowed them to charge more.

But aside from those flip answers, a larger format and more megapixels are easier to manage in a studio environment where you can control the scene and lighting. You have bigger files to make fine-tuning of the results easier.

Another reason for medium format is that MF lenses actually produce a sharper image for the same print size. Although the best lenses for the 24x36 mm image actually produce more line pairs per millimeter, a MF lens for a 33x44 digital sensor is just as good or better when you get to the print.

With film, when I compare my best Leica and Zeiss 24x36 format lens to much older Zeiss lenses for my 6x6 cm Hasselblad, the difference in sharpness is unmistakable. The difference extends to larger forma film - lower lp/mm in the lens but more total line pairs in the captured image

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Feb 11, 2016 14:17:02   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
selmslie wrote:
A cynical answer might be, because they can afford it, they can write off the expense and it gives them credibility to their clients. More than one wedding photographer has admitted that they use medium format because it made them look more professional to their clients and allowed them to charge more.

But aside from those flip answers, a larger format and more megapixels are easier to manage in a studio environment where you can control the scene and lighting. You have bigger files to make fine-tuning of the results easier.

Another reason for medium format is that MF lenses actually produce a sharper image for the same print size. Although the best lenses for the 24x36 mm image actually produce more line pairs per millimeter, a MF lens for a 33x44 digital sensor is just as good or better when you get to the print.

With film, when I compare my best Leica and Zeiss 24x36 format lens to much older Zeiss lenses for my 6x6 cm Hasselblad, the difference in sharpness is unmistakable. The difference extends to larger forma film - lower lp/mm in the lens but more total line pairs in the captured image
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