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Feb 8, 2016 14:48:20   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
sailor2545 wrote:
not so, because you continually abuse people, when if you took your own advise you would ignore them and say nothing.

Abusing folks?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Let me abuse you.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

No idea who you are but hey! If you want to join, go right ahead, jump in!!!

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Feb 8, 2016 14:58:22   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
Photographer Jim wrote:
.../... Commercial endorsement .../...

If you pay attention to the thread no one said anything was not good. What I said is that before using plug-ins and the like may want to know what is under 'hood' and learn.

Doing so you might discover things you did not know and realize the limitations of plug ins as 'canned solution'.

I like fresh meals, not frozen dinners does not mean frozen dinners are bad, it just means I do not like them because they are not fresh and do not fit my lifestyle.

What is so hard to understand?

What is so hard to accept that not all like frozen food?

Why is it hard to understand giving a recipe to use fresh food is a way to encourage folks to give their frozen food?

None of the plug ins I have seen offer a complete freedom when creating masks. This does. Try it. You can isolate pixels with this masking system and best of all it is so simple you really have nothing to do but play.

I am currently checking if I can remove color noise *gasp* with it since the mask can be so pointed.

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Feb 8, 2016 15:06:45   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
Rongnongno wrote:
... I am currently checking if I can remove color noise *gasp* with it since the mask can be so pointed.

Still on the noise thing after more than two years of getting nowhere? Give it up! You are not going to learn anything so long as your mind is closed.

The rest of us are happy to set a goal and come as close as possible to achieving it with the best available tools in the shortest possible time.

You are more interested in the journey than in the destination. You must enjoy playing with yourself rather than getting actual results.

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Feb 8, 2016 15:10:58   #
Photographer Jim Loc: Rio Vista, CA
 
Rongnongno wrote:
If you pay attention to the thread no one said anything was not good. What I said is that before using plug-ins and the like may want to know what is under 'hood' and learn.

Doing so you might discover things you did not know and realize the limitations of plug ins as 'canned solution'.

I like fresh meals, not frozen dinners does not mean frozen dinners are bad, it just means I do not like them because they are not fresh and do not fit my lifestyle.

What is so hard to understand?

What is so hard to accept that not all like frozen food?

Why is it hard to understand giving a recipe to use fresh food is a way to encourage folks to give their frozen food?

None of the plug ins I have seen offer a complete freedom when creating masks. This does. Try it. You can isolate pixels with this masking system and best of all it is so simple you really have nothing to do but play.

I am currently checking if I can remove color noise *gasp* with it since the mask can be so pointed.
If you pay attention to the thread no one said any... (show quote)


Ron, I was in no way criticizing your approach or efforts. I was, however, seconding Gene51's comments regarding Tony Kuyper's software. Besides PS itself, I am finding his actions and panel to be the most useful and effective software I have come across in a month of Sundays. I'm not sure if you have examined them for yourself, but they may very well offer the "complete freedom when creating masks" that you seek. You would have to decide that for yourself.

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Feb 8, 2016 15:14:18   #
tainkc Loc: Kansas City
 
Rongnongno wrote:
You are wrong to think you are wrong because you are right.

I am not a big fan simply because I get the same if not better results in PS CC. I use ACDSee as an organizer so LR gives me nothing. I open the files from ACDSee too so...

I have no doubt you can get great results with it.
I could care less about the organizer either in lightroom. When I am finished with a photo in lightroom, I slam it over to photoshop to do what else I wish to do. Then, when I am finished in photoshop, I save it as a Jpeg and put it into a folder of my choosing, and then I am done with it. I am finished; I don't go back. But, lightroom does some real cool stuff that can not be accomplished easily in photoshop and I find that to be a time saver. I hate pp. Did I ever tell you that I hate cats also?

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Feb 8, 2016 15:35:52   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Troll post, Troll post - and everyone got suckered into it. Maybe one day Rongnongno will decide to actually use the cmaera(s) and lens(es) he claims to own to do some photography - until then it's best to ignore the petulant child. This and most of his other posts are of no real value to anyone who either takes pleasure using a camera or uses a camera to earn a living with it. I am certain that this post will result in yet another tirade, full of vitriol, personal attack and other unsavory words - but the fact remains - the petulant child cannot help himself. . . Prove me wrong, Rongnongno! I dare you!

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Feb 8, 2016 16:28:43   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Rongnongno wrote:
I am in the process of creating actions to create masks that will use the zone system instead of the 'regular' mask creating actions (That I have already hacked to death - See long ago postings).

I have basically discarded the mask* Level** option for being too wide and basically crap (in my opinion). I have selected the curve*** option instead. The mask then is much more pointed and can be made to adjust the output more precisely than when using Level.

I get the feeling that I am digging my own grave here...

Anyway, I am unable to find the range of luminosity needed for each zone. I have tried three different charts (downloaded from internet) and found three different value when probing them for value... If you have those, can you post them?

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* Alt-Click To enter the mask edit mode
** Ctrl-L Level adjustment undo-able, this is not a layer****
*** Ctrl-M Curve adjustment undo-able, this is not a layer
**** This is undo-able only by using Ctrl-Z after the edit. If you do something else after that, CRTl-Z becomes a problem, better start the mask edit from scratch...

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Here is how to try:
Open any image, it does not matter.
Click on channel tab
Ctrl-Click on RGB channel
Click on mask icon
Name this 'Base' (You will need it to compare the masks created)
Remove the selection (Ctrl-D)
Duplicate the Base mask three times
Name:
Mid-range - Narrow
Mid-range - Wide
Mid-range - X-Wide

Click on Mid-range - Narrow
Ctrl-m to enter the Curve option
On the lower point to the left enter the values 0/111
Click anywhere to create a middle point, enter the values 127/127
On the upper point on the right enter the values 0/143
This create the most restrictive Zone 5, the range is only 32 and the output 50% (127)
Click OK
Note that this mask change is permanent and you cannot adjust afterward.

Click on Mid-range - Wide
Ctrl-m to enter the Curve option
On the lower point to the left enter the values 0/95
Click anywhere to create a middle point, enter the values 159/127
On the upper point on the right enter the values 0/159
This create a restrictive Zone 5, the range is 64 and the output 62% (159)
Click OK

Click on Mid-range - X-Wide
Ctrl-m to enter the Curve option
On the lower point to the left enter the values 0/63
Click anywhere to create a middle point, enter the values 255/127
On the upper point on the right enter the values 255/191
This create a restrictive Zone 5, the range is 64 and the output 100% (255)
Click OK

You have three very different Mid range Masks

You should experiment on your own with this stuff as it will allow you to create incredibly pointed masks.

The interest in using this that you not have to mess with inverting the mask in order to adjust the dark. Ctrl-Click on the channel mask to select it.
Click on RGB (if you have not done so already)
Click on adjustment layer, the mask is created, as usual when using a selection to create a layer.
I am in the process of creating actions to create ... (show quote)


Rong....,
I love your nocturnal missives. However, have you heard of Sominex? 8-)
--Bob

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Feb 8, 2016 16:40:43   #
LoneRangeFinder Loc: Left field
 
Rongnongno wrote:
If you pay attention to the thread no one said anything was not good. What I said is that before using plug-ins and the like may want to know what is under 'hood' and learn.

Doing so you might discover things you did not know and realize the limitations of plug ins as 'canned solution'.

I like fresh meals, not frozen dinners does not mean frozen dinners are bad, it just means I do not like them because they are not fresh and do not fit my lifestyle.

What is so hard to understand?

What is so hard to accept that not all like frozen food?

Why is it hard to understand giving a recipe to use fresh food is a way to encourage folks to give their frozen food?

None of the plug ins I have seen offer a complete freedom when creating masks. This does. Try it. You can isolate pixels with this masking system and best of all it is so simple you really have nothing to do but play.

I am currently checking if I can remove color noise *gasp* with it since the mask can be so pointed.
If you pay attention to the thread no one said any... (show quote)


FWIW, The whole fresh v. frozen is a pretty lame analogy, now if you built the implements and then farmed the crops and then prepared them, the analogy would work.

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Feb 8, 2016 17:14:30   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
LoneRangeFinder wrote:
FWIW, The whole fresh v. frozen is a pretty lame analogy, now if you built the implements and then farmed the crops and then prepared them, the analogy would work.

Ron doesn't even know how to plant them. He just spreads the fertilizer.

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Feb 8, 2016 17:55:42   #
GaryS1964 Loc: Northern California
 
While not an answer to you question you might want to try the Photoshop plugin Lumenzia. It's a powerful yet relatively simple to use tool for creating luminosity masks. At $40 a relative bargain. https://gregbenzphotography.com/lumenzia/

He also has some free actions for creating luminosity mask (not using Lumenzia) that might help you.

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Feb 8, 2016 18:00:13   #
CO
 
I just bought a book from Rocky Nook press called "The Digital Zone System" by Robert Fisher. Their method uses luminance masks to separate an image into one-stop zones of brightness that can be worked on individually or in groups. I just started reading the beginning so I cannot offer any specific help. I'll read the book and then start working with it. It's available as an ebook download, printed book, or a bundle with both. It might be worth looking at to see if it will help.

http://www.rockynook.com/shop/photography/the-digital-zone-system/

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Feb 8, 2016 19:02:15   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
rmalarz wrote:
Rong....,
I love your nocturnal missives. However, have you heard of Sominex? 8-)
--Bob

Nope, I do not take any medication, ever. Had enough for a lifetime when I was younger... Getting shots in your stomach to keep your blood thin while bedridden for four months is not something that make you like medication...

Guess the first two weeks I was full of morphine or something, that period is a blur.

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Feb 8, 2016 19:05:05   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
LoneRangeFinder wrote:
FWIW, The whole fresh v. frozen is a pretty lame analogy, now if you built the implements and then farmed the crops and then prepared them, the analogy would work.

It does work if you think about it...

The farming and other process is PS CC itself. The capture are mine. So, yeah it is accurate, you just forgot about PS CC, the main ingredient.

As with farming, I will not touch programming with a ten foot pole even if I could.

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Feb 8, 2016 19:10:57   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
rmalarz wrote:
Rong....,
I love your nocturnal missives. However, have you heard of Sominex? 8-)
--Bob

I really need a fly swatter to chase the bugs from around here.

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Feb 8, 2016 19:13:57   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
CO wrote:
I just bought a book from Rocky Nook press called "The Digital Zone System" by Robert Fisher. Their method uses luminance masks to separate an image into one-stop zones of brightness that can be worked on individually or in groups. I just started reading the beginning so I cannot offer any specific help. I'll read the book and then start working with it. It's available as an ebook download, printed book, or a bundle with both. It might be worth looking at to see if it will help.

http://www.rockynook.com/shop/photography/the-digital-zone-system/
I just bought a book from Rocky Nook press called ... (show quote)

There are many good books and references on the matter.

When you read them you get an idea of what is possible. One reference I used quite a bit at first had a weird title (I think)... When I remember it i will post it. That was a free PDF.

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