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Apr 23, 2012 18:58:54   #
bdo Loc: Colorado
 
My camera manual (Nikon D700) has this interesting entry) p.198:

"Multiple Exposure

Follow the steps below to record a series of two to ten exposures
in a single photograph. Multiple exposures can be recorded at any
image quality setting, and produce results with colors noticeably
better than photographs combined in an imaging application
because they make use of RAW data from the camera image
sensor..."

I understand how this can be used to create a multiple exposure in the old sense of film images, i.e., one image is superimposed over another.

But is this also a form of in-camera HDR?

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Apr 23, 2012 21:35:16   #
MT Shooter Loc: Montana
 
Yes, it definiitely can be used that way.

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Apr 23, 2012 21:39:52   #
bdo Loc: Colorado
 
MT Shooter wrote:
Yes, it definiitely can be used that way.


How does the in-camera HDR compare to post-processing computer programs?

I realize"compare" is very subjective, but I am interested in any experience anyone has using the in-camera HDR.

I did a test shot (with 5 exposures) just to verify that it works the way the manual says it does, but since I have never done any HDR I don't have much of a baseline for comparison.

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Apr 24, 2012 08:31:31   #
docrob Loc: Durango, Colorado
 
bdo wrote:
My camera manual (Nikon D700) has this interesting entry) p.198:

"Multiple Exposure

Follow the steps below to record a series of two to ten exposures
in a single photograph. Multiple exposures can be recorded at any
image quality setting, and produce results with colors noticeably
better than photographs combined in an imaging application
because they make use of RAW data from the camera image
sensor..."

I understand how this can be used to create a multiple exposure in the old sense of film images, i.e., one image is superimposed over another.

But is this also a form of in-camera HDR?
My camera manual (Nikon D700) has this interesting... (show quote)


sort of but not in the sense HDR is understood and applied today. Shooting in camera multiple exposures can increase luminance but its not the same as bracketing and blending in something like Photomatix

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Apr 24, 2012 13:15:55   #
chapjohn Loc: Tigard, Oregon
 
Many Sony Alpha DSLR's have in camera HDR and it is not described as you are indicating from Nikon. Sony auto HDR will take pictures at different exposures and combine them as your picture in camera. You never see the pictures the camera used to creat the HDR image. One of the benfits of this in camera HDR is that the image is never over-cooked. I was shooting with a gentleman recently who had an A77 and was amazed by how well the Sony in-camera HDR performed.

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Apr 24, 2012 14:33:58   #
docrob Loc: Durango, Colorado
 
chapjohn wrote:
Many Sony Alpha DSLR's have in camera HDR and it is not described as you are indicating from Nikon. Sony auto HDR will take pictures at different exposures and combine them as your picture in camera. You never see the pictures the camera used to creat the HDR image. One of the benfits of this in camera HDR is that the image is never over-cooked. I was shooting with a gentleman recently who had an A77 and was amazed by how well the Sony in-camera HDR performed.


thats probably because the OP was referring specifically to the Nikon

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Apr 24, 2012 21:57:06   #
Wahawk Loc: NE IA
 
bdo wrote:
My camera manual (Nikon D700) has this interesting entry) p.198:

"Multiple Exposure

Follow the steps below to record a series of two to ten exposures
in a single photograph. Multiple exposures can be recorded at any
image quality setting, and produce results with colors noticeably
better than photographs combined in an imaging application
because they make use of RAW data from the camera image
sensor..."

I understand how this can be used to create a multiple exposure in the old sense of film images, i.e., one image is superimposed over another.

But is this also a form of in-camera HDR?
My camera manual (Nikon D700) has this interesting... (show quote)


Sounds to me like this is HDR in its true and original meaning, but most likely will not provide the "over-cooked" results that many use the HDR practice for when using software.

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Apr 24, 2012 23:37:36   #
docrob Loc: Durango, Colorado
 
Wahawk wrote:
bdo wrote:
My camera manual (Nikon D700) has this interesting entry) p.198:

"Multiple Exposure

Follow the steps below to record a series of two to ten exposures
in a single photograph. Multiple exposures can be recorded at any
image quality setting, and produce results with colors noticeably
better than photographs combined in an imaging application
because they make use of RAW data from the camera image
sensor..."

I understand how this can be used to create a multiple exposure in the old sense of film images, i.e., one image is superimposed over another.

But is this also a form of in-camera HDR?
My camera manual (Nikon D700) has this interesting... (show quote)


Sounds to me like this is HDR in its true and original meaning, but most likely will not provide the "over-cooked" results that many use the HDR practice for when using software.
quote=bdo My camera manual (Nikon D700) has this ... (show quote)


You are correct. Multiple exposures provided the leaping off place for what is now HDR. Seems that overlapping the same or nearly the same subject (there is a range of acceptable registration) 2-9 times enhances the luminosity (producing a naturally soft glow) and can significantly alter color hue. One can over expose but not overcook and there is a difference. Additionally, with practice one can also replicate effects associated with image stacking.

A downside to creating images in this way, however, is that much more depends on learning to see than on learning about chromatic aberration, f stops, metering techniques and so forth.

I just finished messing with a two frame in-camera multiple exposed image of a neat little house and tree combo along Durango's quaint and historical 3rd ave. Hope posting is not an intrusion?



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Apr 25, 2012 12:20:04   #
bdo Loc: Colorado
 
docrob wrote:
Wahawk wrote:
bdo wrote:
My camera manual (Nikon D700) has this interesting entry) p.198:

"Multiple Exposure

Follow the steps below to record a series of two to ten exposures
in a single photograph. Multiple exposures can be recorded at any
image quality setting, and produce results with colors noticeably
better than photographs combined in an imaging application
because they make use of RAW data from the camera image
sensor..."

I understand how this can be used to create a multiple exposure in the old sense of film images, i.e., one image is superimposed over another.

But is this also a form of in-camera HDR?
My camera manual (Nikon D700) has this interesting... (show quote)


Sounds to me like this is HDR in its true and original meaning, but most likely will not provide the "over-cooked" results that many use the HDR practice for when using software.
quote=bdo My camera manual (Nikon D700) has this ... (show quote)


You are correct. Multiple exposures provided the leaping off place for what is now HDR. Seems that overlapping the same or nearly the same subject (there is a range of acceptable registration) 2-9 times enhances the luminosity (producing a naturally soft glow) and can significantly alter color hue. One can over expose but not overcook and there is a difference. Additionally, with practice one can also replicate effects associated with image stacking.

A downside to creating images in this way, however, is that much more depends on learning to see than on learning about chromatic aberration, f stops, metering techniques and so forth.

I just finished messing with a two frame in-camera multiple exposed image of a neat little house and tree combo along Durango's quaint and historical 3rd ave. Hope posting is not an intrusion?
quote=Wahawk quote=bdo My camera manual (Nikon D... (show quote)


Please feel free to post whatever you like.

This is all learning for me.

I tried using the "multiple exposure" mode yesterday, but made an error in my menu settings. I'm going to try again today.

Meanwhile, I made my first attempt to use PhotoMerge in PSE10 this morning. I used two images from a bracketed set of five (landscape, taken on tripod). I want to compare it to the image I get just using "Aperture" mode and letting the camera pick the exposure (shutter speed).

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