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Jan 30, 2016 17:37:40   #
n64uw
 
Just write a check as our kids used to say...

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Jan 30, 2016 19:41:26   #
rob s Loc: La Mesa, CA
 
My wife and I own the 70D and the 7Dll. The price differential between them has closed a bit since the 7Dll first came out but the image quality is very close. Only if you plan on using it in the rain (in which case an L lens + filter is a must), or for bif with long lenses and a converter I would recommend the 70D and use the $$$ difference for lenses.
I'm going to make no suggestions for lenses since I have just bought the new 100-400ll L and now have my EF 70-200 f4 L is for sale. If after getting everyone's input you decide on this as a lens you might want, PM me.

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Jan 30, 2016 20:04:37   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
Los-Angeles-Shooter wrote:
Bravo! Hear Hear!

"Owning a sword does not make you a Samurai!"

No, but a Samurai with a cheap sword is a dead Samurai!!! .lol:
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Jan 30, 2016 21:04:39   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
SharpShooter wrote:
No, but a Samurai with a cheap sword is a dead Samurai!!! .lol:
SS


And as is attributed to an anonymous celt:

"Never give a sword to a man that can't dance!"

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Jan 30, 2016 21:27:03   #
OldEarl Loc: Northeast Kansas
 
Peterff wrote:
And as is attributed to an anonymous celt:

"Never give a sword to a man that can't dance!"


Cymru, Gael, Kurd?

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Jan 30, 2016 22:06:52   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
OldEarl wrote:
Cymru, Gael, Kurd?


Scots, I think, but not sure, so Gael, not Cymru I believe.

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Jan 30, 2016 22:18:53   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
sueyeisert wrote:
Glass you keep for ever.
People keep saying this, but is it true in practice? The first auto-focus lenses came out maybe 25 years ago. Nikon and Pentax both started with in-body focusing motors and gradually moved (or are moving) to in-lens motors, and Canon has improved their in-lens motors several times. All three companies keep changing how they design lenses and the coatings they use. Do people continue to use particular "glass" when better stuff has been released since then? Is there any reason to believe that this process / trend will stop, that today's lenses will be just as good as tomorrow's, or that the people who must have the best lenses available today will be satisfied with the same lenses in the future when they are third-rate?

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Jan 30, 2016 22:21:02   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Tracy B. wrote:
I'm in the same,situation. However, I'm forced to get the glass first. I'm waiting for the Canon 5d mark iv to come out. I just purchased the Canon 70-200 f2.8L, next will be the 24-70 f2.8L. I have Canon 100 f2.8L, Sigma 50mm, and Sigma 85mm. I have the Canon 70d,currently and I love it. Good luck in your,decision. Let us know what you decide.


Given your situation, I'd do the same. Those two L zooms are part of the holy zoom trinity pros rely on for most of their work. They're really great workhorses.

Treat yourself to a monopod and an anti-carpal tunnel syndrome wrist strap or brace, though! I know several pros who have suffered that injury through repeated use of long lenses, particularly the 70-200 f/2.8s, hand-held. I used to use a Nikon F3 with motor drive and an 80-200, and that was a similar beast. I'd work all day long with it and come home with an aching right wrist and forearm. I got the brace after the second all-day job...

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Jan 30, 2016 22:28:10   #
Tracy B. Loc: Indiana
 
burkphoto wrote:
Given your situation, I'd do the same. Those two L zooms are part of the holy zoom trinity pros rely on for most of their work. They're really great workhorses.

Treat yourself to a monopod and an anti-carpal tunnel syndrome wrist strap or brace, though! I know several pros who have suffered that injury through repeated use of long lenses, particularly the 70-200 f/2.8s, hand-held. I used to use a Nikon F3 with motor drive and an 80-200, and that was a similar beast. I'd work all day long with it and come home with an aching right wrist and forearm. I got the brace after the second all-day job...
Given your situation, I'd do the same. Those two L... (show quote)


Thanks, I'll look into that.

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Jan 30, 2016 22:30:13   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
I still have one Nikkor lens from the 1960s, two from the 1970s, three from the 1980s... (Part of a Nikon FTn and F3 system I don't use any longer.)

I can use them with adapters on m43, although performance is nowhere near native m43 lenses of modern design. The one exception is my 55mm f/2.8 AI-S Micro Nikkor. It's quite useful, even with a dumb adapter requiring stop-down metering and, of course, manual focus.

I agree with you... Using older lenses — more than occasionally for a special purpose — is a bit odd. Lens designs get better every few years, even if the mount doesn't change. At some point, you put the old stuff in a display case, or unload it for coffee money on eBay or Craigslist.

rehess wrote:
People keep saying this, but is it true in practice? The first auto-focus lenses came out maybe 25 years ago. Nikon and Pentax both started with in-body focusing motors and gradually moved (or are moving) to in-lens motors, and Canon has improved their in-lens motors several times. All three companies keep changing how they design lenses and the coatings they use. Do people continue to use particular "glass" when better stuff has been released since then? Is there any reason to believe that this process / trend will stop, that today's lenses will be just as good as tomorrow's, or that the people who must have the best lenses available today will be satisfied with the same lenses in the future when they are third-rate?
People keep saying this, but is it true in practic... (show quote)

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Jan 30, 2016 22:30:49   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
burkphoto wrote:
Given your situation, I'd do the same. Those two L zooms are part of the holy zoom trinity pros rely on for most of their work. They're really great workhorses.

Treat yourself to a monopod and an anti-carpal tunnel syndrome wrist strap or brace, though! I know several pros who have suffered that injury through repeated use of long lenses, particularly the 70-200 f/2.8s, hand-held. I used to use a Nikon F3 with motor drive and an 80-200, and that was a similar beast. I'd work all day long with it and come home with an aching right wrist and forearm. I got the brace after the second all-day job...
Given your situation, I'd do the same. Those two L... (show quote)


C'mon Burk, there is NO such thing as a trinity in Canon parlance! I would be both offended and ashamed to say I had a Canon Trilogy!!
Leave that fantasy on the other side of the tracks and pray it doesn't cross!!! :lol:
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Jan 30, 2016 23:00:53   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
rehess wrote:
People keep saying this, but is it true in practice? The first auto-focus lenses came out maybe 25 years ago. Nikon and Pentax both started with in-body focusing motors and gradually moved (or are moving) to in-lens motors, and Canon has improved their in-lens motors several times. All three companies keep changing how they design lenses and the coatings they use. Do people continue to use particular "glass" when better stuff has been released since then? Is there any reason to believe that this process / trend will stop, that today's lenses will be just as good as tomorrow's, or that the people who must have the best lenses available today will be satisfied with the same lenses in the future when they are third-rate?
People keep saying this, but is it true in practic... (show quote)


I think that people do keep old glass even though it has been superseded. Sometimes for sentimental reasons, sometimes for cost reasons. Just because something new is better doesn't mean that you actually need it. I can't justify a nice new EF 50mm f/1.2 L, but I really enjoy my adapted FL 55mm f/1.2 from the late 1960s. Is the new one better sure, and if I could justify it I might get one, but I'd still keep the old one.

Decisions get complicated...

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Jan 31, 2016 03:23:45   #
Haydon
 
Tracy B. wrote:
Rumors I've heard is: 5d Mark IV to have 30megipixels, touch screen, maybe 4k video. Wifi, able to shot aps-c at 15 megipixels. Maybe announced in March.


The 5D IV is rumored for late third quarter of 2016. There will be some breathing time before it comes out. The 1Dx II will come first and even now their still speculating with rumors and release date on that one. Canon is extremely tight lipped about any new releases.

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Jan 31, 2016 06:04:06   #
Tracy B. Loc: Indiana
 
Haydon wrote:
The 5D IV is rumored for late third quarter of 2016. There will be some breathing time before it comes out. The 1Dx II will come first and even now their still speculating with rumors and release date on that one. Canon is extremely tight lipped about any new releases.


I've read several places that the announcement date will be March. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. I hope it's March.

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Jan 31, 2016 07:51:37   #
alggomas Loc: Wales, United Kingdom.
 
About lenses.
If you are young or very fit and rich get the 70-200 f.2.8!
However a word of caution. This is a VERY heavy lens.
I would go for the f4 version. This is an excellent lens.extremely good quality glass.
Lighter and smaller. You may have to bump up the ISO in low light otherwise great.
Why not try at you camera shop orhire for the day?
Buy lens first.

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