richard-sports Loc: New York City

Thank you President Obama for your common-sense step towards sensible gun reform. As to the conservative pundits who are making fun of Obama for being "soft," what monsters are you that the weight of the dead men, women and children does not press down upon you?

Oh man, this is gonna be a long thread :).
Go make my day guys.

wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma

MONSTERS??? oh lil dicky sports you need to sober up..that would be the first step in making your day..LOL..

green Loc: 22.1749611,-159.646704,20

hehe...most of this crowd is just one bus ticket away from joining the "real american patriots" occupying the bird sanctuary in Oregon.


what we need on UHH is a bit of gum control!

Huey Driver Loc: Texas

If I thought more laws would help I could get behind the idea of more gun control. Start by enforcing the laws we now have. More laws won't solve anything. Look at Chicago and it should be pretty clear that criminals don't give a damn about the laws.

richard-sports Loc: New York City

Here is monster #1 stepping up to hold the banner.

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

I don't know why this should be a thread any longer than most others. I would just ask you what Obama did that would have had any change on any other shooting in history. Let's also bring up that when he said that felons could buy firearms online that it was simply a lie. While that old saw is brought up often enough it is simply a lie that anybody can buy firearms online. I buy and sell firearms online often enough to know it can't be done. I look online at a dealers inventory. I see a gun I want to purchase and then t***sact the deal. Now here is where the fun part comes in. He does not send the gun to me directly unless I have a federal firearms license, FFL. What he does do is hold the firearm until I call my personal dealer and ask him to send by mail, FAX or email a signed copy of his FFL. By federal law since 1968 as I recall the selling dealer can ONLY send the firearm to the address listed on the receiving dealers FFL. As you must know it is already a felony for a felon to purchase a firearm, have one in his possession or even touch one.

So since not one of Obama's executive order would have stopped any shooting in history nor will it stop any in the future how is it common sense gun control?

Now maybe I would get excited if Obama had pushed for longer sentencing guidelines for using a firearm in the commission of a crime. How about 5-10 years added on to the sentence for using a firearm? But you see that common sense law that only affects criminals has been tried in the past. What happened was the District Attorney in his plea bargain would tell the criminal he would drop the firearm charges if the criminal would plead guilty to the basic crime of robbery, burglary, wh**ever. So you see there are ways to combat gun violence but you Liberals don't want to use them effectively. In fact Obama has just released numerous felons from prison. Thanks Barack for making us safer. NOT...

I forgot to mention my information comes from working 30 years as a street cop and in a maximum security prison. I have talked to numerous people I have arrested and then to many others after they were incarcerated. Every single prisoner I spoke to about firearms laws laughed at the laws and said they could care less. The reason was they were criminals. Criminals don't obey laws. Sounds simple enough doesn't it?

Dennis

green Loc: 22.1749611,-159.646704,20

yes simpleton.. don't make any laws because criminals don't obey laws.

John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN

The second amendment has the words "keep and bear arms." It does not say "use arms" nor does it say "keep and use" ammunition. So lets tax ammunition, heavily like $100 per cartridge. Now what the Framers knew as arms were muskets, so it is muskets that may be kept and borne.

May the thread stretch to infinity, so up with the bile.

Robert Graybeal Loc: Myrtle Beach

:thumbup: :thumbup:

Robert Graybeal Loc: Myrtle Beach

there was no 'reform' in any thing he said.
nothing he said will have any effect on criminals, only law abiding citizens.

DGStinner Loc: New Jersey

And freedom of speech was limited to quill and parchment so let's get rid of radio, tv and the internet.

Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM

Nobody has as much gun trouble as we have here in Chiraq, so let me add a little tutorial of "what's really happening" versus the ivory tower theory of the current day American uber liberal.

Let's start with the obvious.....Chiraq had over 2900 actual shootings in 2015 with over 470 deaths (and counting). Our police, on the other hand, only had 22 shootings with 8 deaths (of course, all the media wants to talk about is the cop shootings, much of it driven by the illegal shooting 16 times by a single cop). Now, the 2900 shootings were comprised of approx. +15,000 attempted shootings/incidences.

Here's the kicker........how many of those 15,000 and 2900 and +470 were performed by guns that would have been avoided via new rules?

Up front let it be said there is no scientific number, but the police have come forward in Chiraq and said the overwhelming majority of murders and attempted murders in this number are performed by guns purchased illegally under current laws! Also, out here it is an established fact that despite having some of the most stringent gun control laws in the country, we have the worst gun problem. Why? ILLEGAL guns, not legal ones.

Also, here in Chiraq it is well established that the judges and court system do NOT do anywhere near an adequate job of enforcing said gun laws. They use many excuses.....crowded jails, community activists saying its unfair to minorities (despite them being the ones doing the majority of the shooting and representing the majority of the deaths!), no sto-and-frisk, etc.

So, as far as yesterday's news, I resent the extensive use of executive order for matters which should be negotiated via the various branches of government, these edicts will be stopped by SCOTUS in about 12-18 months (or sooner), they are a political sham and lack sincerity (if sincere, why not do it in the first two years?), I see them as disingenuous at best, they will do little to nothing to solve our problem here in Chiraq (thus little anywhere), and a few more tears by El Presidente for victims of terrorism both here and across the world would help convince me of his sincerity.

Hell, I'd be glad if he would even acknowledge radical Islamic terrorism!

hondo812 Loc: Massachusetts

So I've added some pictures since words are just not sinking in with some of you

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

Enforcing present laws would be a start. Most people do not realize that lying to one of the questions on the background form, 4473, is a felony according to already established federal law. Thousands of people willfully lie when filling out the form and answering questions such as are you a convicted felon, are you legally in the United States, etc. Yet ATF who is in charge of investigating these charges rarely if ever even investigates let alone prosecutes anybody for lying. I would think if someone would lie on a form to purchase a firearm they might have a subversive reason to lie. I guess ATF thinks differently.

As I said in my previous post District Attorneys often plea bargain gun charges down to nothing for a guilty plea to the main offense. As a citizen who feels just as much for victims of gun violence as Liberals do I wonder why something like this is not looked at by Obama's many panels. But apparently it isn't. While I sympathize with victims after seeng them up close for 30 years, I simply can't go along with feel good anti gun legislation. Years ago a politician who had just passed some anti gun law was asked if the new law would stop gun violence. His answer is typical and is similar to Obama's Executive Order of yesterday. He said, No, it really won't stop any of the gun violence but it is a start to getting guns off the street. Wow, what a statement, huh?

Dennis

NeilL Loc: British-born Canadian

All great, Hondo. Some explaining may be necessary for the great unwashed left.