jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

Only to the unfortunate Canon user. :D

Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

You make an interesting point, the question is how do we identify that single unfortunate Canon user amongst the millions of fortunate ones! :lol: :lol:

lev29 Loc: Born and living in MA.

I thank you for your explanation. You obliged me to look up the various definitions of the word "stupidity," as I was not familiar with your connotation, "... not having the ability to understand."

From Merriam-Webster online, a simple definition of stupidity is: the state of being foolish or unintelligent : the condition of being stupid
From the Beta version of the above source, a simple definition of the word 'stupid' includes: not intelligent : having or showing a lack of ability to learn and understand things

So I learned something today! I hadn't thought of stupidity as including the inability to learn, per se.

However, as to your stating that your intentionally "flippant" remark was done to make a point, I still don't quite get how. Maybe I'm stupid? But I won't press you in this thread to further qualify your remark.

Peace,
lev29 :D

bobmcculloch Loc: NYC, NY

Jerry, at one point I worked in photo retail, got to handle a lot of cameras, of the survivors Canon always felt the best in my hands, better have disappeared, Mirandas and the Rollie SLR mainly, even the low cost Practica felt rather good, Exacta was good but awkward as it was definitely left handed, Camera I always wanted and could not afford , the Canon F1, I'll stick with my Canons, I could go Pentax if I had to but...

SharpShooter Loc: NorCal

What the heck is AP and SP ?!?! :lol:
SS

lev29 Loc: Born and living in MA.

Why are two-letter labels necessary in this context at all? What happened to the K.I.S.S. principle?

Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

You are clearly an erudite individual, so I will respond. Modern technology like much of modern life is complex, and there are many things that take effort to learn. Some find things obvious, the rest of us have to take some effort. Sometimes people can work it out for themselves, some need a few pointers to set them in the right direction, others need a step by step explanation, and some need that many times before it sinks in. However, if they are capable of learning and are motivated to do so, then any approach is OK. Most of us find some things easy and natural, and other things hard and a struggle. That is normal.

However, there are some people that are plenty smart enough to learn, but just are not curious or can't be bothered. It was those that I was poking at a little.

'Time value' is not obvious for shutter priority in English, but what about other languages? How does one come up with an acronym that can be used globally in multiple languages? It isn't easy. However, once explained, it makes logical sense that most people could understand if they wish to. It's as good as any other set of two letters in my opinion.

As another UHH member has quoted: "There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." - Will Rogers

Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

What is not simple about a label for something that controls the 'Time' of an exposure (Tv) and another that controls the 'Aperture' setting of a lens (Av). They may not be instantly intuitive without an explanation, but surely they are not complex concepts to comprehend once the association is pointed out?

lev29 Loc: Born and living in MA.

Yes, using two letters is simple, BUT, in my opinion, ONE letter is even simpler! Maybe that opinion just reflects my mindset, but I will concede that under certain circumstances, one letter might also be simplistic.

bdk Loc: Sanibel Fl.

I notice quite often that Canon people are always knocking
Nikon cameras. You very seldom hear Nikon people. Could it be that Canon people are just jealous that they didn't buy a superior Nikon camera in the first place?

lev29 Loc: Born and living in MA.

Interesting. Tell me, please, as I'm curious, do Canon or Nikon people knock current Sony cameras?

Larrymc Loc: Mississippi

Man if you ever handled a Pentax it would totally throw you a curve.....with TAV and SV as well as AV and TV and a little button on the back called "the green button" ain't no way that is standard.

Larrymc Loc: Mississippi

But What????

Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

Time for you to wake up, pay attention and show some intelligence. It is usually the other way round, and your own post exemplifies that by calling Nikon cameras superior. That is not a defensible statement without some qualification about superior in which specific manner, and then it starts to get complicated because there is no single, absolute answer.

Nikon makes excellent cameras, as does Canon, and also Sony, Pentax, Olympus and others. They all have strengths and weaknesses, and superior depends upon the circumstance.

Perhaps you need directions to the nearest electric fence. You can open your zipper for yourself. At least, I hope you can! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

Sure, the 'v' in 'Tv' and 'Av' is superfluous. It could have just been 'T' and 'A', but would that make a meaningful difference?

I might enjoy using a camera that was excellent with "T&A", but I would still need a suitable model for that function to produce its best results! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Maybe that's what 'P' mode is for!