Uuglypher Loc: South Dakota (East River)

Haiga
C&C
State preference (and why, if possible)

Thanks,
Dave

#1 and #2

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Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington

#1 - for me, the first line doesn't add to the mood as it's just descriptive of what we already understand and see. The second line saddens me, so it lessens my enjoyment. I look for beauty and inspiration in photography.

#2 - the words are very powerful for their message: optimism, perseverance, human spirit. Even more so because there are so few words. I am left with an uplifted, positive feeling - from both the beauty of the photo, as well as the message (my beliefs are secular, btw :) ).

Frank2013 Loc: San Antonio, TX. & Milwaukee, WI.

Since I'm pretty dense I would not have understood the situation from number 2, doesn't readily appear vandalized to me so I choose number 1.

Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington

That's an excellent point, Frank! Dave, can you post a large version of #2? I think my appreciation of #2 was influenced by knowledge gained in #1 :)

pfrancke Loc: cold Maine

Dave, for what it is worth, I like the second - it calls for a little mystery and the second has that. Also, if it were me, have the words on the top right instead of the top left. I think it balances 1.6 percent better that way!

jenny Loc: in hiding:)

Preference - the first one
Reason - explanation is needed for those who don't notice architectural details or assume location is no longer in use.
Also, explanation is needed because a picture in itself can not tell us the windows were vandalized.

Uuglypher Loc: South Dakota (East River)

Here's a larger version of the image.

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Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington

Of course I can't unlearn the excellent points that Frank and Jenny made; however, I kind of think I could get the message of a neglected, if not vandalized, church. Though maybe a wider view, if there is nothing but emptiness around, would help me.

I don't know, Dave. Guess it's too late for a different viewpoint :) Either way, inclusion of the line about vandalism would just make me sad, and I look to photography for joy, so in that regard I'm sticking with #2.

pfrancke Loc: cold Maine

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about text and image.. I am thinking also that the complete story must be present in the image. Meaning don't use text to explain additional things not visible. I like the desolation of the image. I would change the theme of the words to match that. Hope in the coldness or some such.

St3v3M Loc: 35,000 feet

Snow-dusted dawn's light
Vandalized windows boarded -
Yet they come to His fight

Snow-dusted dawn's early light
Vandalized windows boarded -
Yet they come to His fight

Dawn's snow-dusted light
Vandalized windows boarded -
Yet they come to His fight

Dawn's early snow-dusted light
Vandalized windows boarded -
Yet they come to His fight

Uuglypher Loc: South Dakota (East River)

Hi, Piet,
Your suggestion is one that has been and continues to be argued and thrashed out in the world of haiku for a few centuries, and all the more vigorously as image media beyond sumi-e ink painting have come on the scene.

There are articulate advocates on both sides of the point. and beautiful haiga are produced in which the "point" , "theme", or "story" is embodied entirely within the haiku, with image servings only to set the scene, or often, simply the mood. Other memorable Haiga are of the sort you urge, in which the entire theme or story is discernible in the image.

One basic idea that has provided throughout the history of haIga
Is that the incorporated haiku should be able to exist and function independent of the image. Even that basic premise is being increasingly ignored as time passes.

For those interested in the various trends and styles to be seen in modern Haiga, the best resource I can suggest is the Haiga Section on the website of the World haiku Association.

http://www.worldhaiku.net/category/haiga/

The monthly Haiga contest attracts submissions from around the world, and almost all are presented with English translations of the haiku. You will, I am sure, find haiku and haiga that are amazingly moving and memorable, as well as Haiga that could be studied until Hell freezes over and never be comprehended! In some the image carries the burden, in others, it's all in the haiku.

I'll be interested to hear how those of you who visit the WHA Haiga site react to the experience.

Best regards,

Dave

Uuglypher Loc: South Dakota (East River)

Haiga, as a mode derivative of haiku, could, I've always thought, cover the emotional range elicited by the latter...which can run from bright and joyous all the way to somber, sad,...dark..."noir".

Uuglypher Loc: South Dakota (East River)

Hi, Steve,
I wondered if anyone with a liking for 5-7-5 rhyming haiku would surface. One of the two most famous popularizers of haiku in English was Harold Henderson, who not only composed his own haiku poems in the 5-7-5 format (but constrained them to 17 syllables...) in rhyming form, but also his translations of the classic 17th, 18th, and 19th century haiku of Basho, Buson, Issa, and Shiki were put into rhyme (which the Japanese found either amusing...or irritating ...or both, given that their language, for several orthographic and grammatical reasons is unfriendly to the concept of rhyme...
and making them rhyme required taking considerable license with the original poems.)

And. You, Steve, are the first actively rhyming haijin I've run into in almost twenty years!
Have you put any of your haiku in Haiga? By all means, let us see some if you have.

Best,
Dave

St3v3M Loc: 35,000 feet

Hey Dave, thank you, and not yet, but I appreciate the encouragement! S-

Uuglypher Loc: South Dakota (East River)

Hi, Jenny,
Didn't mean to have skipped over your reply. I understand your reasons for preferring #1. Do, please, have a look at my response to Piet's comments and have a look at the many Haiga available for perusal at the World Haiku Assn website, Haiga section.

http://www.worldhaiku.net/category/haiga/

I think you'll be impressed (overwhelmed ?) at the variety of forms Haiga may assume.
Thanks again, for participating in the haiku/ haiga discussions.

Dave

http://www.worldhaiku.net/category/haiga/