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Uuglypher Loc: South Dakota (East River)

A Moment -FYC

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Dave

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Frank2013 Loc: San Antonio, TX. & Milwaukee, WI.

Uuglypher wrote:

A Moment -FYC

C&C welcomed

Dave

Very pleasant moment Daveloose the lower left element.

Uuglypher Loc: South Dakota (East River)

Frank2013 wrote:

Very pleasant moment Daveloose the lower left element.

Thank you, Frank.
At the suggestion of some Japanese haijin colleagues, and in keeping with the long tradition of Haiga artists, I am including the traditional personal "chop mark" within my Haiga.

I can understand that It may be viewed as a step too far in pursuit of tradition, but I'm giving it a try.

Dave

Frank2013 Loc: San Antonio, TX. & Milwaukee, WI.

Uuglypher wrote:

Thank you, Frank.
At the suggestion of some Japanese haijin colleagues, and in keeping with the long tradition of Haiga artists, I am including the traditional personal "chop mark" within my Haiga.

I can understand that It may be viewed as a step too far in pursuit of tradition, but I'm giving it a try.

Dave

Not at all, by all means......you have learned me once again and I thank you.

Uuglypher Loc: South Dakota (East River)

Frank2013 wrote:

Not at all, by all means......you have learned me once again and I thank you.

Please don't mistake...I'm not convinced of the chopmark's utility in modern, English language Haiga. I do have to wonder if the "chop" simply serves more as a distraction than as a reasonable nod to tradition.

So, I do appraise your comment thereupon because I continue to learn as well !

Dave

Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington

Exquisite light! Beautiful curve of the branch, such a peaceful feeling.

I've mentioned before not being a huge poetry fan, but that some of your haiga postings really moved me. I love this image for the image alone (probably mostly because of the light), but don't find the words objectionable :D :D

Uuglypher Loc: South Dakota (East River)

Linda From Maine wrote:

Exquisite light! Beautiful curve of the branch, such a peaceful feeling.

I've mentioned before not being a huge poetry fan, but that some of your haiga postings really moved me. I love this image for the image alone (probably mostly because of the light), but don't find the words objectionable :D :D

Hi, Linda,

I'm delighted that you perceive exactly why this image was chosen for a Haiga.

Your words that you don't "...find the words objectionable" ...?
Does that refer to words in this particular Haiga as opposed to those of other Haiga that have been posted?

Or

Do you mean it in a more general sense that the words do not detract or distract from the image. The aim, of course, is that the image and the words should be complementary in some way...that the effect of the combination is, it is hoped, greater than the sum of their individual effects.

I do, very much, appreciate your looking and your thoughtful comments.

Dave

Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington

Uuglypher wrote:

... The aim, of course, is that the image and the words should be complementary in some way...that the effect of the combination is, it is hoped, greater than the sum of their individual effects...

The one I recall that I liked the most for the effect of the combination was the cockbird (Lakota dancer):

http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-350041-1.html

Having the experience of attending a Yakama Nation pow wow, your creation touched me quite personally.

For the leaves here, I am such a fan of dramatic lighting and backlighting, there probably aren't any words that would make me appreciate or enjoy the work more than I already do. But the words did fit the mood nicely. Guess that's the best I can explain my kind of silly, tongue-slightly-in-cheek comment :)

Uuglypher Loc: South Dakota (East River)

Linda From Maine wrote:

The one I recall that I liked the most for the eff... (show quote)

Not at all silly! Responses can vary along a great range, and you've expressed your feelings such that I think I've a good feeling for where they are. The more we artists/photographers and/or poets get that are as well stated , the more help, encouragement, and guidance we receive.

Many thanks,
Dave

wowbmw Loc: Grant, Colorado

Delighted that you shared this Haiga. If not for the verse I would have missed the leaf entirely. In fact may have thought it to be a distraction. Good example is the synergy of the two elements. I'm not so bold yet to move away from the traditional Haiku I learned in school 5,7,5. Going to give this some thought.

My next move is to post one of my attempts at Haiga. Very new at this but I'm going to jump in. You are very inspiring and humble.

jenny Loc: in hiding:)

Being so ignorant of the fine points of Haiga, I'd say a chopmark probably gives it more of a "Japanese feel". With or without however, better a "chopmark" than a chipmunk.
Nice tranquil greeting of the leaves responding to sunlight.

Uuglypher Loc: South Dakota (East River)

wowbmw wrote:

Delighted that you shared this Haiga. If not for the verse I would have missed the leaf entirely. In fact may have thought it to be a distraction. Good example is the synergy of the two elements. I'm not so bold yet to move away from the traditional Haiku I learned in school 5,7,5. Going to give this some thought.

My next move is to post one of my attempts at Haiga. Very new at this but I'm going to jump in. You are very inspiring and humble.

Hi, wowbmw,
Looking forward to whatever you may offer. If comfortable with and prefer 5-7-5, by all means use that format, or experiment with shorter,,less regimented forms if you wish! While sorting some haiku for submission to an "open" (not invited) anthology to be edited in Japan I discovered that three out of ten were 17 syllables and, without specific intent, two were 5-7-5. The shortest was five syllables. So don't get too anal about counting syllables (just please...please...don't exceed 17!)
Best regards,
Dave

Uuglypher Loc: South Dakota (East River)

jenny wrote:

Being so ignorant of the fine points of Haiga, I'd say a chopmark probably gives it more of a "Japanese feel". With or without however, better a "chopmark" than a chipmunk.
Nice tranquil greeting of the leaves responding to sunlight.

I've been beginning to see chopmark's being used in increasing numbers of photo haiga of late, so thought I'd give it a try. Some of the Japanese hard copy and online 'zines are accepting photo Haiga, and I'll be interested to see how English language Haiga submissions fare in those venues. But a chipmunk may be a hashi too far! :>)
Thanks for your approval of the nature of the image.

Dave

jenny Loc: in hiding:)

Maybe the chop mark could become a signal that the words are a Haiku or meant as a Haiga for those who are not familiar with it...a mark that could become readily meaningful... just as copyright or trademark has meaning.

Uuglypher Loc: South Dakota (East River)

jenny wrote:

Maybe the chop mark could become a signal that the words are a Haiku or meant as a Haiga for those who are not familiar with it...a mark that could become readily meaningful... just as copyright or trademark has meaning.

Hi, Jenny,
The name stamps ( often called "chop marks") are used in lieu of, or in combination with the signature of the artist in the major East Asian (Chinese, Korean, Taiwanese, and Japanese art markets. The term "chop" comes from a government stamped mark of authenticity in coins.
A chop Mark is as often used on a calligraphic rendering of a haiku poem as on haiga, sumi-e painting, and other artworks of a number of East Asian cultures. The bas-relief identification stamps used on a variety of art prints, including fine art photographic prints are also termed "chops". And, of course, when someone has developed a recognizable level of quality in their product or skill, what ever that may be, they are often said to have "earned their chops" which, I suspect, is related to our topic at hand.

Dave