I'm new to digital photo work.

That said, tried many trials of software.

I park all my images on a HD (raw Nikon), copy to another HD. Yes I'm anal about HD crashes. Then to another HD which is my HD to post process the files from using Nikon X2.

Next step is to run the file I wish to work on through Piccure +. Then to DXO10 or ON1. I like ON1 for spot removal.

The thing I have noticed is that ON1, or LR5 will not pick up the details that were brought about by Piccure+. Corel, LiteZone, DXO, Rawtherapy will. Am I missing something, or is there a problem with their interpretation of a Nikon raw image?

Ron

I don't think any program will actually *edit* a raw image. Since a raw file is not really an image, you can't write changes to it. I don't use the others you list, but LR stores the changes you make in its catalogue (and uses .xmp files if you haven't converted your originals to .dng) and applies those changes to the output when you export the image.

If you want to use multiple programs, it is best to import the image into LR, then it can be passed out to photoshop (maybe others?) and the final result is saved back into LR as something like a TIFF file. A lot of plugins work this way too.

Hope that helps...

I'm new to digital photo work.

That said, tried many trials of software.

I park all my images on a HD (raw Nikon), copy to another HD. Yes I'm anal about HD crashes. Then to another HD which is my HD to post process the files from using Nikon X2.

Next step is to run the file I wish to work on through Piccure +. Then to DXO10 or ON1. I like ON1 for spot removal.

The thing I have noticed is that ON1, or LR5 will not pick up the details that were brought about by Piccure+. Corel, LiteZone, DXO, Rawtherapy will. Am I missing something, or is there a problem with their interpretation of a Nikon raw image?

Ron

I'm new to digital photo work.

That said, tried many trials of software.

I park all my images on a HD (raw Nikon), copy to another HD. Yes I'm anal about HD crashes. Then to another HD which is my HD to post process the files from using Nikon X2.

Next step is to run the file I wish to work on through Piccure +. Then to DXO10 or ON1. I like ON1 for spot removal.

The thing I have noticed is that ON1, or LR5 will not pick up the details that were brought about by Piccure+. Corel, LiteZone, DXO, Rawtherapy will. Am I missing something, or is there a problem with their interpretation of a Nikon raw image?

Ron

I'm not sure what you are asking... Have you imported them into LR? You really need to base your processing around LR, going out to other programs and back again as required. If you have the photo in LR, but go to XXX from *outside of* LR, then LR will not have any record of the changes made.

To get the changes into LR, you would have to re-import the images, but that is going to lead to chaos, with multiple copies of every image in the catalogue. The sidecar files or changes to a DNG file will not be picked up if you have worked on them outside of LR - unless you called the other program from *within* LR. I hope that makes sense... It is harder to describe than it is to do it!

There is a menu option within LR which says "Edit in...". If you use this to go do some work in photoshop, for example, when you save the file from within that program, it will automatically be imported back into LR, with all the changes.

Try to list the steps you made changes, in order. When did you import the files into LR? Changes made before import should be picked up at import, but from then on, LR expects to be in charge...

I suspect the issue is how you are doing it, and not the program itself. I am not a real expert, and I am surprised that some of the gurus haven't jumped in here too. Keep asking questions. I will help where I can, and maybe someone else will get involved. I got myself totally stuck when I first tried LR, and several people on here helped me out greatly. Once you are using it, the way it expects, it works very well.

All the programs I use are set to non destructive. They write a file that is either placed with the RAW image, or in their catalogue (as is done in LR). LR and I just didn't get along as I placed it's catalogue on a separate hard drive. For some reason, it just didn't like it, and was always attempting to put them back on the C drive. It is also much simpler to print from other programs to obtain the border requirement I want, or to get a full bleed.

I got LR as my CS4 would not work with my Nikons unless I used jpeg. LR is ok, but I found I could do much more with Rawtherapy, but when imported into LR, a lot of the changes would not take.

Ron

I don't think you can really work with multiple 'catalogue' programs together. Which catalogue would have the 'master' copy? To have all the changes carry over, you would need to export from one program, import into the other, do your work there, then export the result and re-import it into the original program. This would be necessary every time you go between different programs...

Does that make sense? Any changes you make would only be in effect for that particular program, unless you do the whole export/import process

Thanks, got a lot to digest, and look into. So far the only cataloging system that appeals to me is LightZone. DXO is kind of messy.

Ron

As you said, the programs are all non-destructive, so they *cannot* be writing their output back to the file or it's xmp sidecar. They are storing their changes in their own catalogues.

You really need to standardize your workflow, and base it on just one of the catalogue programs. I don't know the other programs you are using, but pairing LR+PS works well together for me. Together, those programs can do anything that I can imagine doing to an image. I also use Irfanview as my default image *viewer*, and also for basic changes (resizing, for example) but only on the exported jpegs, to get smaller copies for email, for example. If some other program works better for you, then work around that, but then I would forget about LR.

If you post queries with specifics in the title, such as "LR problem", more people will probably jump in and offer suggestions. Maybe something like "LR vs Rawtherapy help". I really don't know what else to suggest, sorry.

I'm new to digital photo work.

That said, tried many trials of software.

I park all my images on a HD (raw Nikon), copy to another HD. Yes I'm anal about HD crashes. Then to another HD which is my HD to post process the files from using Nikon X2.

Next step is to run the file I wish to work on through Piccure +. Then to DXO10 or ON1. I like ON1 for spot removal.

The thing I have noticed is that ON1, or LR5 will not pick up the details that were brought about by Piccure+. Corel, LiteZone, DXO, Rawtherapy will. Am I missing something, or is there a problem with their interpretation of a Nikon raw image?

Ron

Hello Ron,

you need to import the TIF file that was created by piccure+ (the processed images are stored in the project folder with the extension _picc). piccure+ does not save the changes into the original RAW file. However, the 16-bit TIF does give you the full flexibility over image processing at later stages.
Since every pixel in the image is recreated from the information of several hundred of neighboring pixels the RAW file has to be debayered for piccure+. That is probably why you don't see the changes - they are only in the TIFs.

Best,
Lui
Co-Founder