In view of what happened in Paris is it time to send in the troops?
Some of the terrorists arrived as refugees from Syria and there must be many more.The US is no safer than Europe.
These are men who do not recognise humanity as we know it and will k**l and maim women and children merely because they are not Muslims.
I know after Afghanistan we do not want any more body bags coming home but there is a time when to say, enough is enough.
Bombing them will not stop them, they merely scatter in the desert.
Perhaps, for the very first time we could ally with Russia who is as afraid of them as the west.
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Indi
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The president of France is the first politician to declare the recent attacks as an "act of war". This means WW III, and the opponents are shaping up as the civilized world against an unknown number of fanatic Moslems, most of whom are Arabs in Africa and Asia, possibly as many as 1.2 billion people. Since most of these terrorists are hiding among civilian populations, we are talking about a sort of war that would amount to nothing less than a genocide of enormous proportions. I hope everyone thinks twice about this and focuses on the root causes of the present situation. It is entirely within the realm of logic that world peace would be a much better solution.
Sarantis
I am so with you on this one! These people are to me, the DEVILS DESCIPLES! at work, no matter how you look at it.
As soon as the U.S. started giving Miranda Warnings to captured terrorists, I realized we already lost the War on terror.
viscountdriver wrote:
In view of what happened in Paris is it time to send in the troops?
Some of the terrorists arrived as refugees from Syria and there must be many more.The US is no safer than Europe.
These are men who do not recognise humanity as we know it and will k**l and maim women and children merely because they are not Muslims.
I know after Afghanistan we do not want any more body bags coming home but there is a time when to say, enough is enough.
Bombing them will not stop them, they merely scatter in the desert.
Perhaps, for the very first time we could ally with Russia who is as afraid of them as the west.
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There are many that agree with you and I have said over and over that we need to talk with Russia. Think of the positive effect it could have on the world not to mention our relations with Russia. There's one big problem, the President doesn't have a plan, strategy or foreign policy to pull it off. If John Kerry gets involved he may have to give our Navy to Russia to make it happen, he's got a lot of experience of giving things away. Not the kind of guy that I would want to represent me and on a deal when even buying a new car. Our President can't work with congress and vise versa and it's always has to be his way with his magic pens or no way. Do we have a year to wait, I just don't see it happening under this administration.
ssymeono wrote:
The president of France is the first politician to declare the recent attacks as an "act of war". This means WW III, and the opponents are shaping up as the civilized world against an unknown number of fanatic Moslems, most of whom are Arabs in Africa and Asia, possibly as many as 1.2 billion people. Since most of these terrorists are hiding among civilian populations, we are talking about a sort of war that would amount to nothing less than a genocide of enormous proportions. I hope everyone thinks twice about this and focuses on the root causes of the present situation. It is entirely within the realm of logic that world peace would be a much better solution.
Sarantis
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You are so right but how do you deal with the problem. It sounds good on paper but they would most likely cut your head off. So please tell us how you would go about the realm of logic that would bring world peace. If they hide with the local people and are supported by them then they too are now the enemy.
lesdmd
Loc: Middleton Wi via N.Y.C. & Cleveland
pbearperry wrote:
As soon as the U.S. started giving Miranda Warnings to captured terrorists, I realized we already lost the War on terror.
We give Miranda Warnings to ACCUSED terrorists. Last time I looked, the United States still provides the assumption of innocence until PROVEN guilty in a court of law. There might be some reasons for suspending Habeas Corpus for the detained suspects; but I don't think we want to completely eliminate our system of Justice.
It's been time to take action a long time ago. Our President can't even say the words "Muslim terrorist" for fear of upsetting a group of people. The Countries of the world are too cowardly to do anything about it.
RRS wrote:
You are so right but how do you deal with the problem. It sounds good on paper but they would most likely cut your head off. So please tell us how you would go about the realm of logic that would bring world peace. If they hide with the local people and are supported by them then they too are now the enemy.
Please don't misunderstand me: I have been very angry and ready to order an atomic bomb to be dropped on Raqqa!. After sleeping on it, however, it seemed much better to go after world peace and confront the root causes of these problems. The worst of them has become a taboo issue that no politician ever talks about: OVERPOPULATION! I visited Syria in 1980 when it had a population of 6 million, it's now 23M. Egypt remains my best example. The ancient Egyptians maintained a population of two million for 3000 years, while the modern Egyptians multiplied like rabbits and have by now surpassed 80M!!! in a country where the useful land is the size of Missouri. The Europeans have not done any better: the Roman Empire kept its population to a maximum of 32m, the same land has today some 1.3 billion.
Frankly, the political system capable of taking care of such numbers has not been invented yet. By establishing world peace, we will take care of the living while restricting growth for 100 years and thus return to normal population of 1.5 billion for the planet. Concerning the terrorists, instead of the US fighting them, a new and more powerful but also neutral UN will fight the "last war" against the few religious fanatics.
I could write a thick book about all this but I don't think anyone is ready to listen.
Sarantis
lesdmd wrote:
We give Miranda Warnings to ACCUSED terrorists. Last time I looked, the United States still provides the assumption of innocence until PROVEN guilty in a court of law. There might be some reasons for suspending Habeas Corpus for the detained suspects; but I don't think we want to completely eliminate our system of Justice.
You can't win the war on terrorism wearing kid gloves.Do you think we gave Miranda warnings to German and Japanese soldiers during WW2? And before you respond I am aware Miranda didn't start till the 60's.
The point I an trying to make is terrorists are not common criminals, they are soldiers attacking us to gain control.
lesdmd
Loc: Middleton Wi via N.Y.C. & Cleveland
pbearperry wrote:
You can't win the war on terrorism wearing kid gloves.Do you think we gave Miranda warnings to German and Japanese soldiers during WW2? And before you respond I am aware Miranda didn't start till the 60's.
The point I an trying to make is terrorists are not common criminals, they are soldiers attacking us to gain control.
The distinction is that, at least in the past, soldiers usually wore uniforms and fought under the f**g of a recognized autonomous state. Guidelines for criminal actions by such representatives of these States is set down in military and international codes.
It is rarely entirely clear under whose auspices a terrorist is operating: Is he an individual acting on some crazy nihilistic beliefs, is he a member of a loosely confederated gang not unlike the American crime syndicates of the 1930's, or is he representing a wanna-be imagined Islamic Caliph**e?
Under the circumstances we have little choice other than to recognize terrorists as criminals, albeit despicable ones, until shown to be otherwise. This very obligation is what makes the United States system of Justice unique and admired across the world.
A defense of the suspension of habeas corpus for terrorist detainees has been offered on the basis that allowing a full legal representative process would interfere with military operations. I am not qualified to comment whether this is sufficiently valid to suspend another basic American right. I think it is reasonable however, at the moment of arrest, to inform someone who is still only a suspect of his legal rights. To do less turns our government agents of law enforcement into little more than presumers of guilt. This is precisely why the Supreme Court demanded that Miranda Rights be part of the arrest process.
Wait till Hillary or Sanders allow 65,000 Syrian "refugees" into the country.
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